C&D: Aaron Robinson Scion Must Die!

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

it was a huge sales success becuase of the car, not the brand.

by naming it a Scion, it have lost many customer like me, who from the initial announcement back in 2008 wanted a Toyota.

guess what i own now? a limited BRZ. i would have bought a FT86 even if its a strip down version. i would have been gladly to pay more than a BRZ for a GT-86. but i will never see myself with a Scion anytime soon.

label whore much? If you buy the scion, do you still not get the toyota service department? Does toyota not honor the warranty? Does dealer financing not go through toyota? don't scion dealers share space with toyota?

at least the people who pull the whole "hid and nav" argument have a leg to stand on (not as much however with the retro kit and aftermarket head units coming out). But just because of a badge?

The name scion even makes sense for the company (for non botanist a scion is a young bud or branch that is grafted on to a pre existing root stock to help it grow and protect it, much like scion dealers are paired with toyota).

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

label whore much? If you buy the scion, do you still not get the toyota service department? Does toyota not honor the warranty? Does dealer financing not go through toyota? don't scion dealers share space with toyota?

at least the people who pull the whole "hid and nav" argument have a leg to stand on (not as much however with the retro kit and aftermarket head units coming out). But just because of a badge?

The name scion even makes sense for the company (for non botanist a scion is a young bud or branch that is grafted on to a pre existing root stock to help it grow and protect it, much like scion dealers are paired with toyota).

Yes. You get all that. But what you also get are the stigma accociated with scion. Doesnt scion owner typically are young, immature, wannabe, posers, etc. unfortunately, that is not something debadgeing can replace

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

Yes. You get all that. But what you also get are the stigma accociated with scion. Doesnt scion owner typically are young, immature, wannabe, posers, etc. unfortunately, that is not something debadgeing can replace

You see that, meanwhile I see people like moto-p, dadhawk, and titusdrake. I see younger guys like darrendriven who willingly and fearlessly jumps into modding his BRAND NEW frs and posts DIY taking the time to show us how he did it.

I see others working on opening up the ecu, and a community coming together.

Are my taste similar to the guy who wants a monster spoiler, lambo doors, and a color changing paint job? No, but scion buyers don't corner that market.

[waylonrobert]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

Yes. You get all that. But what you also get are the stigma accociated with scion. Doesnt scion owner typically are young, immature, wannabe, posers, etc. unfortunately, that is not something debadgeing can replace

Around here, I see all walks of life driving Scion vehicles.

[jeebus]

The moment I heard it was going to be sold under the scion brand, I got bummed out. I know it's silly, but I really have a hard time liking the scion brand. I thought the original xB was pretty cool, but then we got the spoiled teenage girl tC, and the xB turned into a pointless supersized box, etc. I'm 31 and I'm pretty sure I was scions target a few years ago. In a way, feeling "targeted" kind of annoyed me.

I ordered a BRZ because I like the added features and the brand as a whole has interested me since the days of the 2.5RS. But if the FRS was sold under Toyota's brand in the US, I probably would have saved a few bucks and bought that.

Forgive my honesty. I still like all variants of this car.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I totally agree with him. This car should've been the Toyota Celica.

It's not a Celica! It's a successor to the AE86, which was corolla based. They should have just sold it as a toyota in the states...Toyota 86.

The Celica is dead and should stay that way...but bring back the Supra and the MR2 (not MR-S)

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by jeebus

The moment I heard it was going to be sold under the scion brand, I got bummed out. I know it's silly, but I really have a hard time liking the scion brand. I thought the original xB was pretty cool, but then we got the spoiled teenage girl tC, and the xB turned into a pointless supersized box, etc. I'm 31 and I'm pretty sure I was scions target a few years ago. In a way, feeling "targeted" kind of annoyed me.

I ordered a BRZ because I like the added features and the brand as a whole has interested me since the days of the 2.5RS. But if the FRS was sold under Toyota's brand in the US, I probably would have saved a few bucks and bought that.

Forgive my honesty. I still like all variants of this car.

If it was sold under the Toyota brand (which I wish it was) it would not have been any cheaper than the BRZ.

And the BRZ is actually the same price as the FR-S if you add the bespoke to the FR-S. Well almost the same price, but you get the idea.

Toyota will see the light and kill scion....or they just might kill all the crap in Scion and make Scion the performance brand for Toyota in North America....sell the new Supra as a Scion.....and RWD sedan based off the FT-86..

Scion SR-S (Supra
Scion FR-S (86 coupe)
Scion FR-SS (86 sedan)

[Turbowned]

Screenshot from my Scion factory training:

This is what Scion thinks is it's target buyer. That guy. Are you that guy? I'm not that guy. And I won't be caught driving the same brand that that guy drives.

And here is a screenshot I took the same week while perusing ************* in late 2010:


Nobody wants this car to be a Scion. Some of you may be able to live with the fact that it is a Scion, but given the choice, would you rather see Scion or Toyota badges adorning your car? Would you rather have a mono-spec model or actual trim levels to choose from? Would you rather be associated with cars like the Celica, Supra, MR2 and 2000GT or with cars like the xA, xB, xD and tC? Think about it that way and maybe you'll see why so many of us are pissed off about Toyota's decision. I can't get a Toyota 86 GT Limited anymore, and I'm pissed off. I've owned 9 Toyotas in the past 7 years, but my next car will have the Stars of Pleiades on it. Oh well, at least they haven't forgotten how to properly market a car and offer trim levels that people actually want.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

You see that, meanwhile I see people like moto-p, dadhawk, and titusdrake. I see younger guys like darrendriven who willingly and fearlessly jumps into modding his BRAND NEW frs and posts DIY taking the time to show us how he did it.

I see others working on opening up the ecu, and a community coming together.

Are my taste similar to the guy who wants a monster spoiler, lambo doors, and a color changing paint job? No, but scion buyers don't corner that market.

i understand what you are saying, and we can have thousands of post talking about the individual owners of each brand and what they do to the car.

but the fact of the matter is, Scion owners in general are what i've just describe in my earlier post. rather you like it or not, as a scion owner, you will be view as such. this is something that i am not willing to deal with. on top of that, this is something Scion (company) cannot control, nor do they want to change their image.

[b_massey02]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

Yes. You get all that. But what you also get are the stigma accociated with scion. Doesnt scion owner typically are young, immature, wannabe, posers, etc. unfortunately, that is not something debadgeing can replace

That logic works for certain Porsche, BMW, Audi, Corvette, Camaro, Mustang, Nissan (fill in the blank)...owners. I think its a stupid stigma personally. Its usually perpetuated by "experts" who think they know.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Screenshot from my Scion factory training:

This is what Scion thinks is it's target buyer. That guy. Are you that guy? I'm not that guy. And I won't be caught driving the same brand that that guy drives.

And here is a screenshot I took the same week while perusing ************* in late 2010:


Nobody wants this car to be a Scion. Some of you may be able to live with the fact that it is a Scion, but given the choice, would you rather see Scion or Toyota badges adorning your car? Would you rather have a mono-spec model or actual trim levels to choose from? Would you rather be associated with cars like the Celica, Supra, MR2 and 2000GT or with cars like the xA, xB, xD and tC? Think about it that way and maybe you'll see why so many of us are pissed off about Toyota's decision. I can't get a Toyota 86 GT Limited anymore, and I'm pissed off. I've owned 9 Toyotas in the past 7 years, but my next car will have the Stars of Pleiades on it. Oh well, at least they haven't forgotten how to properly market a car and offer trim levels that people actually want.

here is a simple thought experiment.

lets just say if the GT 86 for NA was to be sold the same price..

how many current and/or future Scion owner would say i would not buy the car if this car was branded Toyota.

How many potential Toyota owner would say i would not buy the car if this car was branded Scion.

personally, i do not recall anyone from the first group.

this tells me that Scion it's a crapy brand for what ever reasons it may be.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by b_massey02

That logic works for certain Porsche, BMW, Audi, Corvette, Camaro, Mustang, Nissan (fill in the blank)...owners. I think its a stupid stigma personally. Its usually perpetuated by "experts" who think they know.

first we are not talking about any other cars, we are talking about this car.

second, this is not a conspiracy that people are putting out. lets see the facts here even with our very own model.

which model have the first reported crash first? that’s right, if you’ve been following the forum. you will know its none other than a Scion FRS.

who old was the driver? thats right, he is a young male at the ripe age of 23.

what caused the crash? you got it again, he was trying to power slide on public road with a passenger w/ traction control off.

so what does all that tells you? he fits the typical profile of a Scion owner...


i don’t claimed to be an expert of any kind, but i aslo cant ignore the blatantly clear facts when it’s all around me.

[b_massey02]

Wasn't calling you out as an expert. And we have 1 crashed out of how many? And I don't believe in conspiracies. :-P People need to stop looking at a cars badge and rating everything by it. Isn't that what the convertible 350z driver we've all been laughing at did? I was just stating that yer logic can be used on any car. Unfortunately around where I live while I see a lot of scion tc's I don't seem them driving badly, its usually someone else. So experiences vary. And I'm a scion driver already, so maybe I'm biased, and I don't drive crazy. And yes I've been following the thread for a while.. Just cuz I don't post much doesn't mean I haven't been reading.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

first we are not talking about any other cars, we are talking about this car.

second, this is not a conspiracy that people are putting out. lets see the facts here even with our very own model.

which model have the first reported crash first? that’s right, if you’ve been following the forum. you will know its none other than a Scion FRS.

who old was the driver? thats right, he is a young male at the ripe age of 23.

what caused the crash? you got it again, he was trying to power slide on public road with a passenger w/ traction control off.

so what does all that tells you? he fits the typical profile of a Scion owner...


i don’t claimed to be an expert of any kind, but i aslo cant ignore the blatantly clear facts when it’s all around me.

Truth! I mean, look at this Scion!



Dumb fuck drove it through a house shortly after claiming his turbo spooled at 12 mph and caused him to hit an Expedition. Scion idiots.







Funny looking Scion. I don't recall that model.


I've been on nasioc for over a decade. Scion doesn't have the market cornered on dumb ass drivers. WRX insurance rates are sooooo low because their drivers never ever crash.