Looking for advice on a big project.

[swarb]

Originally Posted by John Titor

I gave an honest look to see what you meant, but I can't find much of anything.

Yeah, if I happen to end up on my roof in your extreme situation I'll be in a jam, but you're assuming what I'm doing on the track, which I'm just into doing lap times, and maybe some cone drifting.

Disregarding the lambo door all together, I've gained nothing of value looking for help here.

Thanks for at least semi-trying to help.

PS: any of you other people read this, try asking a guy his positions before assuming his whole life story, and personality. It may help promote a conversation, god forbid.

Back to the first paragraph of the first post in this thread. You mention you crashed your car and are "very enthusiastic to learn"
1.Go to a hpde event or driving school or track day with instructors. Read up on driving and setup theory.
2.More reading and searching, if you don't put in the time, I wouldn't call that "very enthusiastic to learn". Knowledge takes time. Spend the time. Or don't... Good luck have fun.

[John Titor]

Originally Posted by swarb

Back to the first paragraph of the first post in this thread. You mention you crashed your car and are "very enthusiastic to learn"
1.Go to a hpde event or driving school or track day with instructors. Read up on driving and setup theory.
2.More reading and searching, if you don't put in the time, I wouldn't call that "very enthusiastic to learn". Knowledge takes time. Spend the time. Or don't... Good luck have fun.

If you don't know where to search, you ask someone. Sorry I'm not exactly as I described, maybe I'll re word to Curious to learn, or something less heavy than what you are expecting.

[John Titor]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The points we made were all intended to help not harm. You threw a picture of all the types of exhaust up and said you didn't even know what the differences are. You want us to start at the basics and go through each part for you? Then the minute somebody says something that you did know you will call them condescending?
Like I said before when you have a specific question on a specific product ask and you will get answers. Until you reach that point check the existing info.
Although if this is how you respond when people offer reasonable advice on how to move forward then you are not likely to get fuck all answers from anybody that knows what they are talking about anyway.

Maybe you should change the thread title to "Looking for somebody to spoon feed me what I want to know" since advice does not seem to be your target.

I asked for a general direction, all you had to do was link me to something insightful, or informative. I'm not looking to take a year of your time explaining something you've done before, or has been said.

I've looked up stuff, but It was either over my head, or referencing things I have no clue about, and ends up leading down a rabbit hole.

" Then the minute somebody says something that you did know you will call them condescending?"

I'm sorry what? I have done nothing of the sort. I've been thankful for the actual help I've been given, unlike the personal attacks on what I've put up.

Honestly go away if you don't even want to have a decent conversation, if I was vague, you could have just responded with, "Hey, you aren't being very specific with what you want with this topic, care to elaborate on X?"

I tried being polite in the intro, and then I got all the lovely responses, and I saw the direction the conversation was gravitating towards.

I tried, but I feel I've been demonized to the point of no recovery.

[Yoshoobaroo]

I'd say if you want to pull off Itasha this side of japan, start with just the hood, like this:

[Silver Cervy]

Look, I'll say it one more time: nobody is trying to insult you or demonize you, we're simply trying to tell you that you can't come to a forum with no knowledge and expect people to tutor you. It's not respectful to the other members to request their time to find information for you when you should be doing it yourself. If you have a specific question or a particular problem, we will happily help you. But what you're asking for is the entire modding encyclopedia, and to expect someone else to spend the hours it requires getting all the answers out of their own time is very inconsiderate. If you don't realize how basic and generalizing your "list" is then I don't know what to tell you.

It sounds to me like you realized how much researching needed to be done, and didn't want to put in the effort. If you were "curious to learn" you'd have done a lot more searching before coming here. And no place to search, really? Everyone has Google!

And in all honestly, if any of us were a little rude in our responses, it's because the list you gave is extremely unrealistic. It's the list that a 15 year old who just watched Initial D would make after doing a tiny amount of researching. I get that modding a car is very fun, I feel the same way every time I work on my car, but you have to weigh your dream list to real-world circumstances. For example, if you want to express your interest in anime, get some vinyl stickers; you don't have to go so far as a full-body wrap to let people know what you like. A wrap like that would cost you close to $3000 and literally everyone would give you shit for it, to the point where you'd probably hate it after a month.

I keep going back to that wrap. Jesus it's awful...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by John Titor

I asked for a general direction, all you had to do was link me to something insightful, or informative. I'm not looking to take a year of your time explaining something you've done before, or has been said.

I've looked up stuff, but It was either over my head, or referencing things I have no clue about, and ends up leading down a rabbit hole.

" Then the minute somebody says something that you did know you will call them condescending?"

I'm sorry what? I have done nothing of the sort. I've been thankful for the actual help I've been given, unlike the personal attacks on what I've put up.

Honestly go away if you don't even want to have a decent conversation, if I was vague, you could have just responded with, "Hey, you aren't being very specific with what you want with this topic, care to elaborate on X?"

I tried being polite in the intro, and then I got all the lovely responses, and I saw the direction the conversation was gravitating towards.

I tried, but I feel I've been demonized to the point of no recovery.

Originally Posted by John Titor

I gave an honest look to see what you meant, but I can't find much of anything.

Yeah, if I happen to end up on my roof in your extreme situation I'll be in a jam, but you're assuming what I'm doing on the track, which I'm just into doing lap times, and maybe some cone drifting.

Disregarding the lambo door all together, I've gained nothing of value looking for help here.

Thanks for at least semi-trying to help.

PS: any of you other people read this, try asking a guy his positions before assuming his whole life story, and personality. It may help promote a conversation, god forbid.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

WOW You wrote this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...85#post2914185 and now have come to wanting a Fast and Furious stand in lookalike?

Like Mav said you need to settle on what you want. Straight line performance? Track monster? Instagram Queen hard parker? Tastefully cosmetically modded daily driver? Nothing wrong with any of those things if that is what you want but you can't have them all.

Read the sub forums for each category you are thinking of It is all there already. When you have read through them and have some real questions then read through them again. Once you have answered your own basic questions and need specific info THEN ask in the appropriate existing threads. Asking vague open ended questions is just going to get you vague open ended replies and so many conflicting answers you will be more confused when done than when you started.
Oh, and you better start thinking of a budget since to do all that stuff right you are going to need about the price of the car all over again.

Isn't asking for more specific info exactly what I said?


You were warned about the hazards of lambo doors yet your response is disbelief and snarky "you don't know me" rhetoric so the whole "I just want to learn" thing goes out the window if you only want to hear what supports your ideas.




The conversation was not gravitating in any direction except what you made it in your head. Are you so angry you read everything written as angry?


I have read all the posts three times now and see no personal attacks just you lashing out at everybody because you don't like the advice they gave you even though you asked them for it.

[VTEC]

Lol I was kinda like you once OP. I didn't know much about cars other than what I saw in the Fast and the Furious and Need for Speed.

Back then everyone was into lambo doors, huge rims and wings, body kits, loud mufflers and sub woofers because that's all we saw in the movies/games. If you still want to build a flashy show car like that, go for it. It's your car and you can do whatever you want.

But I've spent my fair share of money on modding a few different cars. My advice for anyone new is to spend more on performance than looks. And when I say performance, I don't necessarily mean turbo, supercharger or NOS. I mean overall performance like tires, suspension, brakes and minor power increases like bolt ons. Those modifications can be done relatively cheap (compared to turbos) and will make your daily drive a lot more fun.

Looks are subjective. You may love that vinyl wrap but most people will look at it and think it's a waste of money. Why spend so much on lambo doors, wraps, body kits only to get the kind of hate that you're getting right now? (To be honest I'm also guilty because I think the wrap is ugly too. No offense.) I would rather you spend the money on something that you will enjoy everytime you drive the car and might actually help you a bit on track.

Look at the member builds section for people that go tracking or autocross and see what kind of parts they are using. If you are only going to track occasionally, don't go all out with roll cages and harness and stripped interiors. Follow someone who did a mild autocross or occasional track car set up.

Like I said it's your car and if you still really want the vinyl/body kit etc. go for it. But just remember, at the end of the day you will spend a lot more time inside the car driving it, then standing outside looking at it. So I would say focus your mods on the driving experience.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VTEC

Lol I was kinda like you once OP. I didn't know much about cars other than what I saw in the Fast and the Furious and Need for Speed.

Back then everyone was into lambo doors, huge rims and wings, body kits, loud mufflers and sub woofers because that's all we saw in the movies/games. If you still want to build a flashy show car like that, go for it. It's your car and you can do whatever you want.

But I've spent my fair share of money on modding a few different cars. My advice for anyone new is to spend more on performance than looks. And when I say performance, I don't necessarily mean turbo, supercharger or NOS. I mean overall performance like tires, suspension, brakes and minor power increases like bolt ons. Those modifications can be done relatively cheap (compared to turbos) and will make your daily drive a lot more fun.

Looks are subjective. You may love that vinyl wrap but most people will look at it and think it's a waste of money. Why spend so much on lambo doors, wraps, body kits only to get the kind of hate that you're getting right now? (To be honest I'm also guilty because I think the wrap is ugly too. No offense.) I would rather you spend the money on something that you will enjoy everytime you drive the car and might actually help you a bit on track.

Look at the member builds section for people that go tracking or autocross and see what kind of parts they are using. If you are only going to track occasionally, don't go all out with roll cages and harness and stripped interiors. Follow someone who did a mild autocross or occasional track car set up.

Like I said it's your car and if you still really want the vinyl/body kit etc. go for it. But just remember, at the end of the day you will spend a lot more time inside the car driving it, then standing outside looking at it. So I would say focus your mods on the driving experience.

I disagree. If people want to mod for looks and looks alone that is perfectly fine and totally up to them. Not everybody is looking for performance. They should not not do it because others will not like it but they need to understand that not everybody is going to drool all over it and they are indeed going to get comments they don't want to hear. It also does not mean that the best defense is a good offence theory applies so they do not need to walk around with a chip on their shoulder looking for a fight (common among the hellaflush crowd).


I repeat. Please show me the "hate" comments that keep getting brought up here. I fail to see them. People advised against the lambo doors in a perfectly reasonable manner and it was the OP's reaction that went way over the top.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by John Titor

I gave an honest look to see what you meant, but I can't find much of anything.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSmY9B9x1c"]2014 Scion FR-S small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube[/ame]

If you have lambo doors, usually you need to weld the mechanism to the chassis.

See how the driver's side door deforms? If it was an aftermarket door hinge the chances of it not deforming and pushing directly into the passenger cabin is very real.

You can cone dodge all you want but I have personal experience when it comes to cone dodging (since 2000 or so). I have been at a parking lot event where someone's throttle got stuck wide open, slide about 100 yards wide of the course, and hopped an island in the middle of the parking lot and hit the light pole at around 30MPH.

The car was destroyed and to make matters worse, he stitch welded his chassis and the entire thing was destroyed from a minor impact. And, a friend of mine escaped injury when the spring that shot out from the front suspension missed him by about 5 feet. He was about 300 yards away taking photos...

So, what I've said to you is an insult and waste of time. Keep thinking that and you can be thankful if you ever get into a situation where the lack of some mods would save your life.

Side note: this is why TUV standards in Germany require the use of TUV certified suspension top hats, so the car has predictable crash characteristics on the road.

-alex

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by John Titor

Yeah, if I happen to end up on my roof in your extreme situation I'll be in a jam, but you're assuming what I'm doing on the track, which I'm just into doing lap times, and maybe some cone drifting.

Because nobody ever crashed running laps or drifting.

Everybody else, just stop. You're wasting your time with this guy.

[VIP BRZ]

/Ignore John Titor

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Everybody else, just stop. You're wasting your time with this guy.

What I write is not for OP, it's for everyone else that will search and come across threads about "lambo doors"

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

What I write is not for OP, it's for everyone else that will search and come across threads about "lambo doors"

That is why I carry on with debates way past when I should say screw it and walk away. Not for the guy that doesn't want to listen but for the ones that do.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VIP BRZ

/Ignore John Titor

No. That is not the answer either. Should he ever come back, spends as much energy in research as he did in complaining that nobody would help asks well thought through questions and respects the replies that he receives even if they are not what he wants to hear then I for one would be happy to assist in any way I can.
If he can't put this behind him and move forward then that is on him not us and any help we tried to offer would be wasted anyway.