FRS vs Camaro Handling

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

....and still likely handle better.








Seriously, @Jaden are you reading the thread in reverse? That sentiment you expressed was argued throughout and disproven in multiple ways.

I do have a job and work to do, it takes time to read 11 pages, but I still haven't seen a mention of what coils what size R comps he used to barely beat a miata...I saw the 278 hp, which with 20K to spend to hit the same spending as a 1LE SS is really low.

You can get decent coils, 275 rcomps with wheels and be making close to 400 on E85 with 20K to spend and I'm sorry, I don't give a shit about what anyone says, there's no fucking way that a twin with that is going to lose around a track to a stock ss 1le...ain't gonna happen, unless they are in desperate need of a driver mod.

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

Maybe read the entire thread? Post number 22 by @glamcem has videos comparing his modified twin to his SS 1LE.

Reading his build thread, the twin was making 260whp with a Kraftwerks SC, FA500 coils with 9k/9k springs on NT01s or Hankook Ventus Z214 C51 (medium) 245/40/17.

And he was still 2 seconds a lap slower in the twin and said he is still getting faster in the Camaro.

The 1LE package is no joke.

The question is HANDLING, not track times. Yeah 260whp versus 380whp hmmm, two seconds difference there seems like the slower one handles better to me.

LOL...

Jaden

BTW that's a 46% difference in power versus a 18% difference in weight...

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

We aren't comparing a stock twin to a stock SS 1LE, we are comparing a boosted twin on aftermarket coils and rcomps which all combined will be similar money to the SS 1LE and learning the SS 1LE is still faster...

Speaking solely to the power comparison, I think the problem (and I'll probably get flamed for saying this) is that the power a rotrex SC makes is over-rated. It keeps making more boost until redline, but the midrange is wanting in comparison to an equivalent whp NA or turbo setup. Here's a dyno of a JRSC BRZ with high boost pulley and e85.



And for comparison, here's a 2015 Mustang GT.



The peak hp is comparable (370 vs. 384 whp) but when the BRZ upshifts and lands at say 5000 RPM, it's only making ~235 lbs-ft vs. the GT making 350 lbs-ft at 4500 RPM.

The JRSC kit is great at being track reliable, but the way it builds boost leads to somewhat inflated peak whp numbers. Not saying the peak numbers are wrong, just that it doesn't have the midrange one would usually expect with that level of peak whp. Probably explains why some people with the Rotrex kits feel it should be faster than it is. Just my 2c.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

The question is HANDLING, not track times. Yeah 260whp versus 380whp hmmm, two seconds difference there seems like the slower one handles better to me.

LOL...

Jaden

380 WHP? What car are you talking about? You're correct about handling, we have been discussing that this entire thread.


How far down a modified car rabbit hole do you want to go?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

380 WHP? What car are you talking about? You're correct about handling, we have been discussing that this entire thread.


How far down a modified car rabbit hole do you want to go?

I was under the impression we were talking about the camaro ss 1le.. 455 bhp that's about 380-390 whp...

Jaden

[Is Always Angry]

I get the feeling that no matter what happens in this thread, everyone's opinion is still 'wrong'

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Is Always Angry

I get the feeling that no matter what happens in this thread, everyone's opinion is still 'wrong'

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Is Always Angry

I get the feeling that no matter what happens in this thread, everyone's opinion is still 'wrong'

I just wish that people would stop comparing apples to oranges is all.

If you're going to compare a car's track times then they need equivalent power. If you're going to compare their handling, then track times are not a valid indicator of that when power/weight are not on equivalent terms.

Jaden

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I just wish that people would stop comparing apples to oranges is all.

If you're going to compare a car's track times then they need equivalent power. If you're going to compare their handling, then track times are not a valid indicator of that when power/weight are not on equivalent terms.

Jaden

So, they need to be the same car for your testing formula. Basically....



Blame the OP for the question, lol.




Just for a singular test comparison, for fun, the current GTR is a MORE powerful car, and yet the 1LE puts down a better skidpad time and G measurement. I mean, you cannot say the car is not a good handling vehicle.

Originally Posted by Jaden

I was under the impression we were talking about the camaro ss 1le.. 455 bhp that's about 380-390 whp...

Jaden

Yeah, no....they dyno quite a bit higher than that.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jaden

If you're going to compare a car's track times then they need equivalent power.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

So, they need to be the same car for your testing formula. Basically....



Blame the OP for the question, lol.




Just for a singular test comparison, for fun, the current GTR is a MORE powerful car, and yet the 1LE puts down a better skidpad time and G measurement. I mean, you cannot say the car is not a good handling vehicle.





Yeah, no....they dyno quite a bit higher than that.

Umm you do realize that makes my argument STRONGER, not weaker, right???

Jaden

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That was in the context of using it to compare handling...of course you don't if you're just comparing track times...

Jaden

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I just wish that people would stop comparing apples to oranges is all.

If you're going to compare a car's track times then they need equivalent power. If you're going to compare their handling, then track times are not a valid indicator of that when power/weight are not on equivalent terms.

Jaden

Any comparison is fair, even apples and oranges, in the right context.

For example, in the area of buying juices comparing apple and orange would be very fair.

Same with cars, if you are considering any two cars for a specific purpose (track car, DD, value for the dollar) any two cars are fair game.

The list I make when I go to buy a new car would probably drive you nuts because I consider all kinds of makes/models for the exact same purpose. I also compared cross types (trucks, cars, SUVs). Price is a factor, but not the only factor. I have a set budget and shop within that. However, since I'm willing to shop used and new, I can shop within a pretty wide range.

So, it is very possible to shop a FRS, a Camaro and a Vette (as I gave in the example above) because they can all be bought in the same price range if newness is just another factor considered.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Umm you do realize that makes my argument STRONGER, not weaker, right???

Jaden

I get what you're saying in terms of power/handling. The point is people automatically think the GTR has good handling, while they do not think that of the Camaro.


Although that does not help your argument when it comes to the weight aspect. Albeit by a slight margin, lol.