The Drifting Thread

[Shady195]

Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

I just installed mine yesterday, its nowhere the angle id want to have, but for basically stock power it felt pretty good when hooning around an open lot. I don't remember if you mention it or not but did you remove the front sway bar when using these, or did you just let it bind up?

I left my stock swaybars on, No binding issues.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Shady195

No issue.. i just don't think it's worth spending the money on something that gives a negligable increase in steering angle.

For $80, I think it provides a decent increase. I definitely noticed it over stock. Stock steering on these cars is pitiful. The inner tie rods give it the extra they should have had from the get go. The only thing that sucks is that it adds more movement from lock to lock, and it increases ackerman.

Simple knuckles are the next best bang for buck. I still say the Parts Shop Max kit is overkill until you make more power. The extra angle of the kit is cool, but at N/A power levels, you can't keep the wheel speed high enough to maintain the high slip angles around higher speed corners. So all that extra angle is basically just there in case you screw up.

If I got another ZN6 and added FI, I would definitely go with the PBM kit. If I stay N/A, simple knuckles are enough.

Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

I just installed mine yesterday, its nowhere the angle id want to have, but for basically stock power it felt pretty good when hooning around an open lot. I don't remember if you mention it or not but did you remove the front sway bar when using these, or did you just let it bind up?

I ditched mine, but mostly to get rid of the snappy tendency these cars have on transition. Tie rods aren't quite enough to cause the endlinks to bind. Knuckles are...but only so much.

I ditched the front sway bar and endlinks and switched to 8k/9k springs, front and rear, respectively. Car felt much better, especially on transition.

[MattTheGinge]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

For $80, I think it provides a decent increase. I definitely noticed it over stock. Stock steering on these cars is pitiful. The inner tie rods give it the extra they should have had from the get go. The only thing that sucks is that it adds more movement from lock to lock, and it increases ackerman.



Simple knuckles are the next best bang for buck. I still say the Parts Shop Max kit is overkill until you make more power. The extra angle of the kit is cool, but at N/A power levels, you can't keep the wheel speed high enough to maintain the high slip angles around higher speed corners. So all that extra angle is basically just there in case you screw up.



If I got another ZN6 and added FI, I would definitely go with the PBM kit. If I stay N/A, simple knuckles are enough.







I ditched mine, but mostly to get rid of the snappy tendency these cars have on transition. Tie rods aren't quite enough to cause the endlinks to bind. Knuckles are...but only so much.



I ditched the front sway bar and endlinks and switched to 8k/9k springs, front and rear, respectively. Car felt much better, especially on transition.

Gotcha, what are you running for damping settings? I'm on BC BRs with 8k/8k, I have 32 clicks of adjustment, right now I'm trying with 8 clicks from hard in the front, 4clicks from hard in the rear and it seems ok


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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

Gotcha, what are you running for damping settings? I'm on BC BRs with 8k/8k, I have 32 clicks of adjustment, right now I'm trying with 8 clicks from hard in the front, 4clicks from hard in the rear and it seems ok


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I don't have the car anymore, but if I remember correctly, I ran something like 4 clicks from full stiff on front and rear. I had Stance coilovers and LCAs.

Ran -3.5 camber up front and -1.5 rear. Slight toe out up front, zero on rear.

[rin]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I don't have the car anymore

What are you driving now?

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by rin

What are you driving now?

'16 STI

[Rougenite]

Word? I was looking at a new sti as my 'daily' so I can be reckless with the 86. I think I should buy a house first though...

[rin]

Originally Posted by Rougenite

Word? I was looking at a new sti as my 'daily' so I can be reckless with the 86. I think I should buy a house first though...

Nope, stay reckless. I think there is a thread about sleeping your 86

[Rougenite]

Originally Posted by rin

Nope, stay reckless. I think there is a thread about sleeping your 86

I meant reckless as in $$$, not danger to other people...hope I didnt come off the wrong way.

STi been that dream car...but from what I am gathering the damn thing hasnt had a boost in power since like 2004.

I have successfully started doing figure 8s in a drift, I am getting better, but damn do I have a lot of work to do :/

Currently I am kinda just 'overpowering' and keeping the RPMs bouncing around 6500 (wide ass tires) Gonna have to rotate them soon!

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Rougenite

I meant reckless as in $$$, not danger to other people...hope I didnt come off the wrong way.

STi been that dream car...but from what I am gathering the damn thing hasnt had a boost in power since like 2004.

Meh.... I mean, yeah but it hasn't really gained much weight since then too. Furthermore, the competition *Focus RS* still posts identical performance figures with more power, torque, and better tires. Sounds like the competition finally caught up lol

It's a good all around car. But definitely a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of car.

Originally Posted by Rougenite

I have successfully started doing figure 8s in a drift, I am getting better, but damn do I have a lot of work to do :/

Currently I am kinda just 'overpowering' and keeping the RPMs bouncing around 6500 (wide ass tires) Gonna have to rotate them soon!

Smaller tires help. OEM 215 width is perfect for stock an N/A power levels. Once FI gets added, up to a 235 width should be sufficient. Once you start hovering around that 400whp mark, that's when I would suggest something wider like 255.

Keep in mind that at those levels, the drivetrain becomes the weak link. The transmission and axles are ticking time bombs.

[Rougenite]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Meh.... I mean, yeah but it hasn't really gained much weight since then too. Furthermore, the competition *Focus RS* still posts identical performance figures with more power, torque, and better tires. Sounds like the competition finally caught up lol

It's a good all around car. But definitely a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of car.



Smaller tires help. OEM 215 width is perfect for stock an N/A power levels. Once FI gets added, up to a 235 width should be sufficient. Once you start hovering around that 400whp mark, that's when I would suggest something wider like 255.

Keep in mind that at those levels, the drivetrain becomes the weak link. The transmission and axles are ticking time bombs.

Silly work meetings. Ruins my time in the car!

Have nothing against the STI, its just sad that I havent seen any improvement in the power department for 10+ years. Still love the car, and the styling. Its different from driving a twin though.

I am currently running 245 PSS with e85 and it does OK. I have plans for the FRS, was looking at PTuning FI....but man 10k for the kit with supporting mods + labor time? Thats causing me to hesitate.

[MattTheGinge]

Originally Posted by Rougenite

Silly work meetings. Ruins my time in the car!

Have nothing against the STI, its just sad that I havent seen any improvement in the power department for 10+ years. Still love the car, and the styling. Its different from driving a twin though.

I am currently running 245 PSS with e85 and it does OK. I have plans for the FRS, was looking at PTuning FI....but man 10k for the kit with supporting mods + labor time? Thats causing me to hesitate.

i looked into ptuning,you can get one for around 5k in a group buy, add another 2.5k for header/exhaust/oil cooler/tune, and do the install yourself, i read through the install manual and it looks really straight forward, dont even have to weld the oil pan. but on the flip side, the ptuning kit was more recommended for extended track use since the turbo relocate keeps heat out of the bay, so you could potentially do a more budget friendly kit since drifting is more sprints than duration driving.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Rougenite

Silly work meetings. Ruins my time in the car!

Have nothing against the STI, its just sad that I havent seen any improvement in the power department for 10+ years. Still love the car, and the styling. Its different from driving a twin though.

I am currently running 245 PSS with e85 and it does OK. I have plans for the FRS, was looking at PTuning FI....but man 10k for the kit with supporting mods + labor time? Thats causing me to hesitate.

245s are overkill honestly. Car would feel much better with 215s on the rear. Especially since that allows you to easily run a square setup (215s all around) which is the best setup for these cars.

Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

i looked into ptuning,you can get one for around 5k in a group buy, add another 2.5k for header/exhaust/oil cooler/tune, and do the install yourself, i read through the install manual and it looks really straight forward, dont even have to weld the oil pan. but on the flip side, the ptuning kit was more recommended for extended track use since the turbo relocate keeps heat out of the bay, so you could potentially do a more budget friendly kit since drifting is more sprints than duration driving.

When adding forced induction to these cars, you need to also take all supporting mods into account. Especially when you're talking about track and drift duty.

The car will spend all of its time on track over 5k RPMs. This means heat, and lots of it. Upgraded radiator, hoses, oil cooler, etc are all going to be needed items. Not to mention the appropriate gauges to keep everything in check.

Add to that upgraded axles, as they'll be the first item to go with increase power and grip levels. Not to mention the necessity for an upgraded clutch, as the stock clutch won't last through the abuse very long with the increased power.

Realistically, take whatever the cost of the kit is and add another $3,500+ between supporting items, cooling, drivetrain, and monitoring components. By not addressing those items, you're really just taking shortcuts and waiting for something to break.

I priced it out when I had my car and when I start with a Speed By Design kit +OFT and add all the necessary supporting items, I still hit 10k.... and that's with the SBD kit, which is pretty damn cheap.

[Rougenite]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

245s are overkill honestly. Car would feel much better with 215s on the rear. Especially since that allows you to easily run a square setup (215s all around) which is the best setup for these cars.



When adding forced induction to these cars, you need to also take all supporting mods into account. Especially when you're talking about track and drift duty.

The car will spend all of its time on track over 5k RPMs. This means heat, and lots of it. Upgraded radiator, hoses, oil cooler, etc are all going to be needed items. Not to mention the appropriate gauges to keep everything in check.

Add to that upgraded axles, as they'll be the first item to go with increase power and grip levels. Not to mention the necessity for an upgraded clutch, as the stock clutch won't last through the abuse very long with the increased power.

Realistically, take whatever the cost of the kit is and add another $3,500+ between supporting items, cooling, drivetrain, and monitoring components. By not addressing those items, you're really just taking shortcuts and waiting for something to break.

I priced it out when I had my car and when I start with a Speed By Design kit +OFT and add all the necessary supporting items, I still hit 10k.... and that's with the SBD kit, which is pretty damn cheap.

Yeah 245s are def overkill, but they fit the rims very nice (17x9+35) and im usually the guy that likes to keep it glued to the ground, not spinning :P

Cost for boosting with PTuning stuff

6k for the kit,
1200 for fueling MAP sensor and ECUTEK stuff
800 or so for proper gauges and mounting
Oil cooler cost (1000 for Ptuning)
$300 for radiator
$500 clutch/flywheel
1200(?) for axles
AoS (Catch can) $200 or so
XXX for tuning

It really does start to add up quickly. I do already have some of these items, but still...Ptuning is an amazing company with great service...but that $$$ hurts.