Where does the BRZ fit in your "sports car progression?" - Page 6 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Dan37BRZ · 02-18-2017, 02:30 PM

Here is my "sports or sporty car" progression.

1. 1988 Honda Prelude 2.0Si
2. 1988 Toyota Celica Turbo All-Trac (GT-4)
3. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo
4. 1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo
5. 1995 Acura Integra GS-R
6. 1992 Honda Civic Hatch EG with B18C1 (USDM GS-R Swap)
7. 2003 Toyota Celica GT-S (Action Package)
8. 2005 Acura RSX Type S
9. 1992 Nissan 300ZX NA 2+2
10. 1998 Honda Civic Hatch EK
11. 1994 Honda Civic Hatch EG with B16A Swap
12. 2005 Subaru WRX STi
13. 1998 Acura Integra LS
14. 2008 BMW 335i
15. 2009 Nissan 370Z
16. 2011 Lexus IS350
17. 1998 Honda Prelude VTEC
18. 2012 Lexus IS F
19. 2007 Honda Civic Si Sedan
20. 2015 Subaru BRZ

I've had a few cars in-between also which wouldn't be considered sporty, like my first car was a 1986 Honda Accord Hatch, a 1990 Toyota Pickup, a 1971 Beetle, a 1997 Civic HX coupe, a 2011 Toyota Prius, a 2012 Honda Fit Sport and my current truck which is a 2010 Tundra 4x4 DC lifted on 35s.

noseasonforallseasons · 02-19-2017, 07:19 AM

Great topic!

The BRZ is my first sports car. Before, I had a Mini Cooper (non S). The Mini was great for city driving and parking since I live in a European capital city, but a bit boring. The BRZ seemed like a great car, and was one of the few new RWD cars within my budget. I considered the MX-5, but needed something more practical.

I've always seen the BRZ as a first step towards something faster, but the more I drive it, the more content I feel with it. This especially after having tracked it. It will take years before I grow out of the BRZ on the track, and a few more years before I dare to drive something more expensive on track. As insurance doesn't cover trackdays, the BRZ is as expensive as I dare to go.

For now, the BRZ doubles as my daily (and only) driver. In a few years I might get something else for the weekdays and either turn the BRZ into a track car or look towards something else. In that case, I would probably get an older model Cayman or 911.

Bonus pic of my BRZ with the new rims

chuckseabreeze · 03-05-2017, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2017-BRZ

Well my progression is in "Reverse"..as I had a Porsche 997TT and now drive a BRZ limited......

Still excited tho..

So how does this compare to the 997 turbo?

Da Brz · 03-05-2017, 11:01 PM

1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 M5
2000 Pontiac Trans Am M6
2004 Ford Mustang GT Vert A4
2001 Pontiac Trans Am A4
2016 Subaru BRZ M6

The BRZ handles the best of anything I've had but is obviously the slowest thing I've ever owned by far. Oddly enough it's also the most... problematic. I've had nothing but weird "quirks" with it that make me question it's reliability.

chuckseabreeze · 03-05-2017, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Brz

1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 M5
2000 Pontiac Trans Am M6
2004 Ford Mustang GT Vert A4
2001 Pontiac Trans Am A4
2016 Subaru BRZ M6

The BRZ handles the best of anything I've had but is obviously the slowest thing I've ever owned by far. Oddly enough it's also the most... problematic. I've had nothing but weird "quirks" with it that make me question it's reliability.

What kind of quirks?

SCQTT · 03-06-2017, 12:21 AM

I am a motorcycle guy. I do not even like cars, not really. I have always had a truck, I have had my current truck since I bought it new in 06.

I have had a couple Corollas as daily drivers and an 02 Civic.

Currently, in addition to my truck I have a 89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, 01 BMW Z3 Coupe & a 06 Mazda Miata. Everything is stock.

Seems kind of crazy that with the addition of the 86 I effectively have 3 two seat manual transmission cars. I had a couple company brass visitors in town a few weeks back & had to borrow my moms Avalon to chauffer them around.

Da Brz · 03-06-2017, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckseabreeze

What kind of quirks?

Idle drops, random no starts, switches not working or hard to get them to work, radio NEVER does what it's supposed to.

MurderousPandas · 03-06-2017, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Brz

Idle drops, random no starts, switches not working or hard to get them to work, radio NEVER does what it's supposed to.

The idle drop i've noticed, but it's not often, and the past 5 years its done it, no problems. The rest sounds like it needs to go to the dealership. My '13 has had no problems but frying a coil pack, which was my fault, and my year should be the quirkiest of them all.

"Chasing speed with patience"

TommyW · 03-06-2017, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckseabreeze

So how does this compare to the 997 turbo?

I'll chime in as I'm also coming off of a 911TT.
The Turbo is fun over 100 mph and the FRS is more fun under 100 mph.
Take your pick....

DCBeltwaymoveright · 03-07-2017, 11:02 AM

I just picked up a CPO 14 FRS with only 11k miles and I am really enjoying it.

When I was in college I had a 77 280Z rust bucket and then a nice 73 240Z. That was back in 1986, I'm not THAT old. This FRS reminds me of those.

I went thru a 4 wheelung phase when I lived in Colorado. Now on the east coast I've had several hatches, 2003 Mini Cooper S, 12 GTI, 15 Focus ST. My kids are in school now so who needs 4 doors? The FRS is a blast to drive. The hatches have their appeal, but the understeer gets old, and how many reverse donuts can you really do on a snowy day before it gets old?

This forum is awesome.

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2017-BRZ · 03-07-2017, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckseabreeze

So how does this compare to the 997 turbo?

Lol. Well of course there was a lot more money invested in the production of quality parts that go into a Porsche (A 2008 TT was 160K.)
So comparing the two as a manufacturing rating is difficult and unfair.

However, If I was to rate on "fun" factor. They are different means but equal results.

The BRZ also has many "Porsche" driving qualities in the feedback and joy it communicates to its driver.

Not bad considering a price difference of 130K.,

It is also quite sprite in speed for a NA 2 liter four cylinder.. (2017)

Kimsey47 · 03-07-2017, 11:20 PM

1.) What has been your sports car progression?

This was fun to answer: '94 Acura Integra, '96 JDM Honda Del Sol, '04 Euro Lexus IS200, '06 Euro Honda Accord Type-S, '13 Subaru BRZ, '16 Subaru STI

2.) What are your eventual goals?

I can't say I have a goal... I just enjoy great Japanese sports cars, mainly sports sedans due to their fun-to-drive nature and usability.

3.) Where does the BRZ fit in this progression for you?

The BRZ to me was an homage purchase to my first car, the '94 Integra. I LOVED that car and all I had was a LS non-vtec. The driving experience was great as you needed to drive the car in high revs to get the most out of it, with great handling. The BRZ took those ingredients and turned the volume up to 11 with more power and the RWD.

In the end though, the BRZ taught me that even though I love a great sports car I really enjoy sports sedans more. When I got my BRZ I intended to keep it till it died; however, after 4 years of driving it I started to miss the functionality that sports sedans had provided in the past... Basically my car was useless as a family car due to space so the family was always loading into the wife's car. I stumbled upon my '16 STI when taking the BRZ in for its 60k service and saw the STI in the used car lot. I had never really considered seriously owning a STI; however, it made sense to look at making the change. I'm glad that I made the change as it fits my needs. It also took me from the place of, "I can't wait to modify this and that" to "Wow, I'm pretty happy with this car as it is!"

The BRZ provided a very pure and fun driving experience and I feel blessed to have had the opportunity to own one. It was everything I hoped and brought back the feelings I had towards that first Integra. Driving it left me smiling, and that is something only a few cars can provide. It was a stepping stone into the Subaru family at this point in my automotive life I don't feel like I'll be leaving Subaru for a while! I got my wife a Forester not long before stumbling on the STI. My STI has won me over as the best car I've ever owned due to the power, performance, handling, and ability to haul friends and family. It is also the only car I've owned where I know I'd buy another one. Why? Because I'm not only smiling while driving, I'm laughing my ass off having fun!

Thanks,

Kimsey

wreckedrex · 03-08-2017, 12:55 AM

My first fun car was an 89 CR-X DX with a 5pd. Dog slow, but I lowered it and slapped on a set of bronze 5zigen wheels and a SiR wing... Loved that car, learned to drive stick on it and generally beat it to death constantly. Sold it with 240k on the clock and it still ran great, no idea how it survived me.

Next was a 90 CR-X si in Barbados yellow... Y49. Bought it with a lunched trans and swapped in a hybrid with a zc 1-4, stock 5th and stock fd. Much quicker than the DX, but still slow. Still drove it like a knob constantly. Sold that one with 225 on the clock, no idea how that one survived either. One of very few cars I regretted selling.

3rd one was my '00 Miata... Holy crap, rwd. Total revelation. Still slow, but I could go slowly *sideways*. Stock with a roll bar and a sparco sprint seat. Had way too much fun with that car.

Sold it because I needed the money and bought a $700 '90 Miata. Beat that poor thing like it owed me money and did all kinds of crap to it. Frankenstein'd a motor together from 3 donors, lame Rust-Oleum roller paint job, ripped out the soft top... Spent damn near all of my time on that damn thing. Did my 1st auto x with it. Amazing car, but a major pita to keep running and just beat to hell.

Sold that one after i bought my dad's '98 m roadster. Didn't actually want the thing, I was looking for an e39 m5 at the time, but he kept offering it for cheaper and cheaper until I couldn't say no. Loved it. Way more comfort, way more power, and not a total eyesore. Had some quirks, and I always felt like I could hurt it if I beat on it like the miatas, but it never let me down. Sold it to my father in law, he had fallen in love with it when I started dating his daughter.

After a couple years without one I started missing a sporty car. After a bit of searching I picked up a nice '00 prelude 5spd... Boooooring. Nice enough car, good motor, totally uninspiring.

The trans took a dump in prelude and it pissed me off so I started looking at new stuff. Found that I could get a decent deal on a brz, and a local dealer had a limited in stock in the right color with the right trans so here I am. Pretty sure the BRZ is the best of them, not sure I like it better than my POS old Miata, but it's probably as close as I'm going to get in new car.

ritha · 03-15-2017, 07:43 PM

2000 Honda Prelude 5MT
2002 Lexus IS300 5AT
2015 Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT - Current weekend car
2000 Civic Si 5MT
2006 Infiniti G35 6MT - Current daily driver
-I've had mostly sporty compact cars.

Eventually I would like to get into autocross with this car. No other significant plans for now since I enjoy this car as is, and want to keep its personality intact.

I bought this car after selling the Lexus (it was a good time to sell). At the time I went through a few different cars and was feeling nostalgic for a car like the Honda Prelude (My first manual car, and one of my favorites). I wanted a lightweight, sporty, manual, coupe, but I didn't want to deal with older abused cars. I ended up having an EM1 Civic Si as a daily for a short time (surprisingly a very fun car). Currently I daily a G35 Coupe (with is probably the closest I've owned to a true sports car), which I bought to relieve the BRZ from daily driving. I bought it because this may be my only chance to own a car as distilled as this.

02-19-2017, 07:19 AM	#72
noseasonforallseasons Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2016 BRZ Crystal White Pearl Location: Europe Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Great topic! The BRZ is my first sports car. Before, I had a Mini Cooper (non S). The Mini was great for city driving and parking since I live in a European capital city, but a bit boring. The BRZ seemed like a great car, and was one of the few new RWD cars within my budget. I considered the MX-5, but needed something more practical. I've always seen the BRZ as a first step towards something faster, but the more I drive it, the more content I feel with it. This especially after having tracked it. It will take years before I grow out of the BRZ on the track, and a few more years before I dare to drive something more expensive on track. As insurance doesn't cover trackdays, the BRZ is as expensive as I dare to go. For now, the BRZ doubles as my daily (and only) driver. In a few years I might get something else for the weekdays and either turn the BRZ into a track car or look towards something else. In that case, I would probably get an older model Cayman or 911. Bonus pic of my BRZ with the new rims __________________ Kinnekulle Ring 2016 Instagram

03-07-2017, 11:20 PM	#82
Kimsey47 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2016 STI DGM Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,875 Thanks: 1,189 Thanked 1,460 Times in 662 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1.) What has been your sports car progression? This was fun to answer: '94 Acura Integra, '96 JDM Honda Del Sol, '04 Euro Lexus IS200, '06 Euro Honda Accord Type-S, '13 Subaru BRZ, '16 Subaru STI 2.) What are your eventual goals? I can't say I have a goal... I just enjoy great Japanese sports cars, mainly sports sedans due to their fun-to-drive nature and usability. 3.) Where does the BRZ fit in this progression for you? The BRZ to me was an homage purchase to my first car, the '94 Integra. I LOVED that car and all I had was a LS non-vtec. The driving experience was great as you needed to drive the car in high revs to get the most out of it, with great handling. The BRZ took those ingredients and turned the volume up to 11 with more power and the RWD. In the end though, the BRZ taught me that even though I love a great sports car I really enjoy sports sedans more. When I got my BRZ I intended to keep it till it died; however, after 4 years of driving it I started to miss the functionality that sports sedans had provided in the past... Basically my car was useless as a family car due to space so the family was always loading into the wife's car. I stumbled upon my '16 STI when taking the BRZ in for its 60k service and saw the STI in the used car lot. I had never really considered seriously owning a STI; however, it made sense to look at making the change. I'm glad that I made the change as it fits my needs. It also took me from the place of, "I can't wait to modify this and that" to "Wow, I'm pretty happy with this car as it is!" The BRZ provided a very pure and fun driving experience and I feel blessed to have had the opportunity to own one. It was everything I hoped and brought back the feelings I had towards that first Integra. Driving it left me smiling, and that is something only a few cars can provide. It was a stepping stone into the Subaru family at this point in my automotive life I don't feel like I'll be leaving Subaru for a while! I got my wife a Forester not long before stumbling on the STI. My STI has won me over as the best car I've ever owned due to the power, performance, handling, and ability to haul friends and family. It is also the only car I've owned where I know I'd buy another one. Why? Because I'm not only smiling while driving, I'm laughing my ass off having fun! Thanks, Kimsey __________________ Subaru STI :

03-08-2017, 12:55 AM	#83
wreckedrex Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Drives: 2016 BRZ Limited Location: CA Posts: 31 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My first fun car was an 89 CR-X DX with a 5pd. Dog slow, but I lowered it and slapped on a set of bronze 5zigen wheels and a SiR wing... Loved that car, learned to drive stick on it and generally beat it to death constantly. Sold it with 240k on the clock and it still ran great, no idea how it survived me. Next was a 90 CR-X si in Barbados yellow... Y49. Bought it with a lunched trans and swapped in a hybrid with a zc 1-4, stock 5th and stock fd. Much quicker than the DX, but still slow. Still drove it like a knob constantly. Sold that one with 225 on the clock, no idea how that one survived either. One of very few cars I regretted selling. 3rd one was my '00 Miata... Holy crap, rwd. Total revelation. Still slow, but I could go slowly sideways. Stock with a roll bar and a sparco sprint seat. Had way too much fun with that car. Sold it because I needed the money and bought a $700 '90 Miata. Beat that poor thing like it owed me money and did all kinds of crap to it. Frankenstein'd a motor together from 3 donors, lame Rust-Oleum roller paint job, ripped out the soft top... Spent damn near all of my time on that damn thing. Did my 1st auto x with it. Amazing car, but a major pita to keep running and just beat to hell. Sold that one after i bought my dad's '98 m roadster. Didn't actually want the thing, I was looking for an e39 m5 at the time, but he kept offering it for cheaper and cheaper until I couldn't say no. Loved it. Way more comfort, way more power, and not a total eyesore. Had some quirks, and I always felt like I could hurt it if I beat on it like the miatas, but it never let me down. Sold it to my father in law, he had fallen in love with it when I started dating his daughter. After a couple years without one I started missing a sporty car. After a bit of searching I picked up a nice '00 prelude 5spd... Boooooring. Nice enough car, good motor, totally uninspiring. The trans took a dump in prelude and it pissed me off so I started looking at new stuff. Found that I could get a decent deal on a brz, and a local dealer had a limited in stock in the right color with the right trans so here I am. Pretty sure the BRZ is the best of them, not sure I like it better than my POS old Miata, but it's probably as close as I'm going to get in new car. Last edited by wreckedrex; 03-08-2017 at 01:15 PM.

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02-18-2017, 02:30 PM	#71
Dan37BRZ Senior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2017 Drives: 2015 WRB BRZ Location: Oxnard, CA Posts: 267 Thanks: 43 Thanked 184 Times in 82 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Here is my "sports or sporty car" progression. 1. 1988 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 2. 1988 Toyota Celica Turbo All-Trac (GT-4) 3. 1990 Toyota Supra Turbo 4. 1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo 5. 1995 Acura Integra GS-R 6. 1992 Honda Civic Hatch EG with B18C1 (USDM GS-R Swap) 7. 2003 Toyota Celica GT-S (Action Package) 8. 2005 Acura RSX Type S 9. 1992 Nissan 300ZX NA 2+2 10. 1998 Honda Civic Hatch EK 11. 1994 Honda Civic Hatch EG with B16A Swap 12. 2005 Subaru WRX STi 13. 1998 Acura Integra LS 14. 2008 BMW 335i 15. 2009 Nissan 370Z 16. 2011 Lexus IS350 17. 1998 Honda Prelude VTEC 18. 2012 Lexus IS F 19. 2007 Honda Civic Si Sedan 20. 2015 Subaru BRZ I've had a few cars in-between also which wouldn't be considered sporty, like my first car was a 1986 Honda Accord Hatch, a 1990 Toyota Pickup, a 1971 Beetle, a 1997 Civic HX coupe, a 2011 Toyota Prius, a 2012 Honda Fit Sport and my current truck which is a 2010 Tundra 4x4 DC lifted on 35s.

03-05-2017, 11:01 PM	#74
Da Brz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 2016 Subaru BRZ Location: Arkansas Posts: 208 Thanks: 24 Thanked 70 Times in 51 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 M5 2000 Pontiac Trans Am M6 2004 Ford Mustang GT Vert A4 2001 Pontiac Trans Am A4 2016 Subaru BRZ M6 The BRZ handles the best of anything I've had but is obviously the slowest thing I've ever owned by far. Oddly enough it's also the most... problematic. I've had nothing but weird "quirks" with it that make me question it's reliability.

03-06-2017, 12:21 AM	#76
SCQTT ZWEI KOLBEN Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2017 86 Halo 6MT Location: Mikes Sky Rancho Posts: 245 Thanks: 106 Thanked 163 Times in 88 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I am a motorcycle guy. I do not even like cars, not really. I have always had a truck, I have had my current truck since I bought it new in 06. I have had a couple Corollas as daily drivers and an 02 Civic. Currently, in addition to my truck I have a 89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, 01 BMW Z3 Coupe & a 06 Mazda Miata. Everything is stock. Seems kind of crazy that with the addition of the 86 I effectively have 3 two seat manual transmission cars. I had a couple company brass visitors in town a few weeks back & had to borrow my moms Avalon to chauffer them around.

03-07-2017, 11:02 AM	#80
DCBeltwaymoveright Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Drives: 2017 BRZ (14 FRS RIP) Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 26 Thanks: 5 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I just picked up a CPO 14 FRS with only 11k miles and I am really enjoying it. When I was in college I had a 77 280Z rust bucket and then a nice 73 240Z. That was back in 1986, I'm not THAT old. This FRS reminds me of those. I went thru a 4 wheelung phase when I lived in Colorado. Now on the east coast I've had several hatches, 2003 Mini Cooper S, 12 GTI, 15 Focus ST. My kids are in school now so who needs 4 doors? The FRS is a blast to drive. The hatches have their appeal, but the understeer gets old, and how many reverse donuts can you really do on a snowy day before it gets old? This forum is awesome. Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk

03-15-2017, 07:43 PM	#84
ritha Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2015 Lightning Red Subaru BRZ Location: Central OH Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2000 Honda Prelude 5MT 2002 Lexus IS300 5AT 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT - Current weekend car 2000 Civic Si 5MT 2006 Infiniti G35 6MT - Current daily driver -I've had mostly sporty compact cars. Eventually I would like to get into autocross with this car. No other significant plans for now since I enjoy this car as is, and want to keep its personality intact. I bought this car after selling the Lexus (it was a good time to sell). At the time I went through a few different cars and was feeling nostalgic for a car like the Honda Prelude (My first manual car, and one of my favorites). I wanted a lightweight, sporty, manual, coupe, but I didn't want to deal with older abused cars. I ended up having an EM1 Civic Si as a daily for a short time (surprisingly a very fun car). Currently I daily a G35 Coupe (with is probably the closest I've owned to a true sports car), which I bought to relieve the BRZ from daily driving. I bought it because this may be my only chance to own a car as distilled as this.

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