Stingray vs. Modified Twin

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I'm not sure if we're going to ever get another 2+2, RWD, Manual, Lightweight Coupe. Checks all the right boxes for me just want a little more umph

What options are there that fit those criteria, at any price?
RX-8's usually clock in over 3,000 lbs, 240sx is ~25 years old at this point... 911 is even heavier than the RX-8 unless you buy one that's >10 years old.

What am I forgetting that wasn't made in the '80s? I mean there's a plethora there, AE86/Celica/Supra, E30, GTV6, RX7 and Z/ZX's if you can live without the seats and pick up a hatch for the trade.

[BR-ZED]

I think the cheap C7 I referred to in the op was a base model without the z51. I think z51 would more like 45 or 50.

I did drive a c6 grand sport. Felt a bit heavy, but my biggest complaint was that couldn't really wring it out without speeding excessively. Its not as much fun at 10%.

The other problem is that the C6 looks terrible compared to the C7. I think that's reason corvettes lose their value so quickly.... When is the best time to buy one?

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

What options are there that fit those criteria, at any price?
RX-8's usually clock in over 3,000 lbs, 240sx is ~25 years old at this point... 911 is even heavier than the RX-8 unless you buy one that's >10 years old.

What am I forgetting that wasn't made in the '80s? I mean there's a plethora there, AE86/Celica/Supra, E30, GTV6, RX7 and Z/ZX's if you can live without the seats and pick up a hatch for the trade.

Can't think of anything modern unfortunately, with all the tech & safety features they're stuffing into cars nowa days I'm not sure if we'll ever see a true raw successor to the twins, unless toyota/subaru do a next gen 86...I assume the MY17 is the mid-cycle refresh. Honestly don't think they're gonna deliver on a next gen though, time will tell.

I was pretty stoked for the new M2 then I saw it weighed 3450 lbs, was literally shocked! I've always wanted a porsche since I was a kid but the maintenance costs scare me lol, honestly was always a JDM guy. Cheap parts, cheap to fix when they do break.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I was pretty stoked for the new M2 then I saw it weighed 3450 lbs, was literally shocked! I've always wanted a porsche since I was a kid but the maintenance costs scare me lol, honestly was always a JDM guy. Cheap parts, cheap to fix when they do break.

M2 vs FRS is pretty unfair, a closer competitor is the 228i. That one is 3330lbs, but it has more room than the FRS or 911 and I am sure you can get rid of a lot of weight if you really want to, starting with the power seats and exhaust which will be extremely heavy on a BMW. I bet you can knock >150lbs off that car without touching any creature comforts besides the seats.

It is also probably much, much, much faster than the FRS once you tune it a little.

FRS is one of those cars you have to either really really love so much you want to pour money into heavy modifications, or just be happy with in close-to-stock form (aka accepting that you are slower than a minivan).

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

FRS is one of those cars you have to either really really love so much you want to pour money into heavy modifications, or just be happy with in close-to-stock form (aka accepting that you are slower than a minivan).

BULLSHIT


Please point out which minivan beats 6.1:




http://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/van/


Learn to drive beyond pushing a gas pedal is all that is needed.

[LOLS2K]

Warranty void.

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

BULLSHIT


Please point out which minivan beats 6.1:




http://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/van/


Learn to drive beyond pushing a gas pedal is all that is needed.

This reminds me of the new Dodge Durango SRT8 commercial. It says "track inspired" but all I'm seeing is a burnout..

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by BR-ZED

I did drive a c6 grand sport. Felt a bit heavy, but my biggest complaint was that couldn't really wring it out without speeding excessively. Its not as much fun at 10%.

That and the numbingly light steering feel with no feedback! It's a big track platform, I didn't enjoy hustling the GS around cones either and it is hard to use anything outside and even including second gear on twisty stuff... well, the torque is addicting Shame because I personally find the C6GS the most attractive Corvette next to the C2. I can't stand the juvenile transformer sharp lines of the C7 at all, just like my Volt But it is a better car in every other way...

Supposedly the C5Z is "good" on feedback and the C7 improved on steering feel and feedback tenfold over the C6.2 cars. Definitely get a Z51 model if you're intending for motor sports; dry-sump, added coolers, shorter gearing, e-lsd, bigger brakes, etc. are extensive and expensive to add yourself later.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

BULLSHIT


Please point out which minivan beats 6.1:




http://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/van/


Learn to drive beyond pushing a gas pedal is all that is needed.

Nobody does 4k+ clutch drops at the intersection of a public road (well not if they want to keep their license). In a race of 5-60 mph today's minivans are neck and neck with the BRZ

And apparently some minivan drivers are itching for a showdown. When I was trying to figure out the launch control on my loaner Cayman S (involved revving engine while stopped at a light) the minivan next to me peeled a wheel when the light turned green

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by ajh88

LS swap the twin! For real though if I had 40-50k for a car I'd look at a Cayman R.

Try $65-70k for a Cayman R.

A quick search of mine revealed 2 currently for sale in the US, one $62,000 and one $69,000. That won't change any time soon either.

Seriously, point me in the direction of one on sale for $45k and I'll buy it immediately.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Nobody does 4k+ clutch drops at the intersection of a public road (well not if they want to keep their license). In a race of 5-60 mph today's minivans are neck and neck with the BRZ

The stated 0 to 60 is not based upon a 4K clutch drop I am sure. If we are going to say that it is fudged in some manner then we need to say the same thing for the minivans numbers.
If minivans are beating you the problem is with your driving style not the capabilities of the car.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I'm not sure if we'll ever see a true raw successor to the twins, unless toyota/subaru do a next gen 86...I assume the MY17 is the mid-cycle refresh. Honestly don't think they're gonna deliver on a next gen though, time will tell.

Mazda might pump out an attainable lightweight RWD coupe in a few years I think that's the safest bet at getting one, Honda has the S660 and Toyota's SFR looks like it will be real, but those are much smaller than the car we bought and it's a "yeah right" until they announce that they're coming here. Kia and Nissan played with concepts but those are definitely vaporware at this point. Fundamentally I agree, odds are slim there will ever be anything like this again. I think the bean counters at Toyota will win in shutting down a gen 2, or at least the direction of their "sports car" would change heavily not being a real 86 successor. After all, the AE86 is still being made, it's called a Corolla and it's very 'grounded to the ground'.

RX-8 is as close as it gets, 996 911's are the next best thing and aside from the IMS look like downright fantastic cars now that they're starting to drift well below $30k (hell there are a few <$15k examples out there if you're not picky), hopefully the 'eww watercooled' sentiment is in the majority for the next decade and they drop low enough to make maintenance costs easy to swallow and they can challenge Miata's for the go-to track car for those of us that like fixed roofs and a bit of space behind the drivers seat.

[WolfpackS2k]

^^Man I already told you that the only relevant acceleration statistic (on a public road) is 5-60 mph.

And every sports car with a tiny 2.0 sized engine launches quickest with significant clutch slippage. If it didn't then the 0-60 time and 5-60 time for a BRZ would be very, very similar. But they're not - there's a gap of around 1.5 seconds. EDIT: apologies, it's 1.0 second. Which is actually notable because that's faster than an S2000.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^^Man I already told you that the only relevant acceleration statistic (on a public road) is 5-60 mph.

And every sports car with a tiny 2.0 sized engine launches quickest with significant clutch slippage. If it didn't then the 0-60 time and 5-60 time for a BRZ would be very, very similar. But they're not - there's a gap of around 1.5 seconds. EDIT: apologies, it's 1.0 second. Which is actually notable because that's faster than an S2000.

If you want to play with the stats until something works then that is fine.
The industry standard for comparing acceleration times is 0 to 60 and that is what was applied to the minivan is faster statement.