Idle issue?

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by b.e

Dude, you gave them your car to experiment with. Surely you considered this as a possible outcome.

Where did you get that in all this?

[b.e]

Six technicians come out to discover the cause of his complaint. It's unknown to them. They need to find out what it is. Experimentation is how they find out.

[ahausheer]

This might sound weird but I think you could try to ask Scion to make your payments while the car is being checked as a sign of good faith. See, your problem is actually an asset to Scion. If they cant have access to your car there will be a major problem that they know about but cant properly diagnose or fix. They WANT your car because they want to know about any major issues. Also tell them about this forum and the large audience this problem is being addressed to. Ask them to make a payment or two. Fighting the lemon law in court would cost them a lot more.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by b.e

Six technicians come out to discover the cause of his complaint. It's unknown to them. They need to find out what it is. Experimentation is how they find out.

I thought they were diagnosing and fixing a problem, not testing a theory.

Come on, pallie. If they are "experimenting" at this point in the game, then they don't deserve to sit at the adult table.

[b.e]

Originally Posted by ahausheer

This might sound weird but I think you could try to ask Scion to make your payments while the car is being checked

A wonderful idea, and not at all weird. Very reasonable.

[Chewie4299]

Originally Posted by ahausheer

This might sound weird but I think you could try to ask Scion to make your payments while the car is being checked as a sign of good faith. See, your problem is actually an asset to Scion. If they cant have access to your car there will be a major problem that they know about but cant properly diagnose or fix. They WANT your car because they want to know about any major issues. Also tell them about this forum and the large audience this problem is being addressed to. Ask them to make a payment or two. Fighting the lemon law in court would cost them a lot more.

This makes sense. I wouldn't try to accomplish this through the dealer though. I would contact their corporate office.

[feldy]

Man that blows sorry for your loss. Wonder if the dealer can get another frs in from a different dealer and get you back on the road. Sucks

[fistpoint]

Absolute horseshit experience you are having, very sorry for you I am. This would be a good time to suggest extended warranties for all of you owners...speaking of which, this would be an excellent opportunity to demand an enormously comprehensive extended warranty for FREE(for Whiteout's car).

I don't think you'll get them to make payments for you, just like when a car is stolen, you continue making payments until the day you are paid out by the insurance company.

I am recommending a warranty based on the research I have done over the last few nights in regards to Subaru quality. JD Power ranks them below average for initial vehicle quality at 109 problems per 100 vehicles, while the industry average is 102. I cannot find the chart that shows the longer time period that many of the higher problem marques move down the list(improving), while Subaru still hovered in the below average area with little to no change in ranking.

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/pre...lity-study.htm

I thought people here said Subaru was awesome? Not according to any of the charts I've seen. Quite below average in both short and long term quality is what I see.

Extended warranties for all. Some of us will blow through the standard warranty in 15 months!!! Yes, 15 months, while others like me will get a total of 26 months based on the mileage we put while having a pathetic 36k limit.

[Marrk]

@fistpoint: Having a warranty is all well and good, but it's pretty easy to deny a claim under a warranty, and many of these warranties have tricky exclusions and conditions. For example, you buy a warranty that says it covers shocks, then, when you file a claim for a bad shock, you get told, "Yes, we cover shocks, but not those shocks."

You are in control of everything until you give someone your money.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by Marrk

@fistpoint: Having a warranty is all well and good, but it's pretty easy to deny a claim under a warranty, and many of these warranties have tricky exclusions and conditions. For example, you buy a warranty that says it covers shocks, then, when you file a claim for a bad shock, you get told, "Yes, we cover shocks, but not those shocks."

You are in control of everything until you give someone your money.

Since it would be my first warranty(car or otherwise) I have purchased in over 20 years, I intend to read from top to bottom the entire wall of text prior to even buying the car exactly for the reasons you stated.

Buying OEM parts seems to avoid the warning you give though, hopefully. Thanks anyway for the heads up/reminder.

[Hanzo]

Originally Posted by whiteout fr-s

They did drive the car, the miles showed it, thing is they didn't drive it long distance, only a bunch of short drives stop and go.

And as of right now they can read the codes but headquarters has to decipher them.

I wouldn't be scared about this, this is more my bad luck than anything. Im sure most of you just need vvtr control valves replaced correctly

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Keep us updated on your status.

[phm14]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Absolute horseshit experience you are having, very sorry for you I am. This would be a good time to suggest extended warranties for all of you owners...speaking of which, this would be an excellent opportunity to demand an enormously comprehensive extended warranty for FREE(for Whiteout's car).

I don't think you'll get them to make payments for you, just like when a car is stolen, you continue making payments until the day you are paid out by the insurance company.

I am recommending a warranty based on the research I have done over the last few nights in regards to Subaru quality. JD Power ranks them below average for initial vehicle quality at 109 problems per 100 vehicles, while the industry average is 102. I cannot find the chart that shows the longer time period that many of the higher problem marques move down the list(improving), while Subaru still hovered in the below average area with little to no change in ranking.

http://autos.jdpower.com/content/pre...lity-study.htm

I thought people here said Subaru was awesome? Not according to any of the charts I've seen. Quite below average in both short and long term quality is what I see.

Extended warranties for all. Some of us will blow through the standard warranty in 15 months!!! Yes, 15 months, while others like me will get a total of 26 months based on the mileage we put while having a pathetic 36k limit.

From my warranty book, the "basic" warranty, covering everything on the car (almost), is 36/36. The powertrain, corrosion, and restraint systems are all 60/60. Most extended warranties are junk-read the fine print. Driving Toyotas for 30+ years, I've had a couple of warranty issues that were handled in an excellent manner. Toyota are superior or equal to any other maker I know of-far better than most, especially German makers like BMW and Porsche. I'm not so familiar with Subie, which is one reason I went with the FRS.

Edit: Good info in your link. Like Toyota and others, Subaru also manufactures in the US, and those stats include all vehicles in the US market, regardless of country of manufacture. I hate to say it, but I believe there are generally fewer problems with the Japanese manufactured cars. Built in Japan, as the 86 is, always goes in the plus column for me.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by phm14

From my warranty book, the "basic" warranty, covering everything on the car (almost), is 36/36. The powertrain, corrosion, and restraint systems are all 60/60. Most extended warranties are junk-read the fine print. Driving Toyotas for 30+ years, I've had a couple of warranty issues that were handled in an excellent manner. Toyota are superior or equal to any other maker I know of-far better than most, especially German makers like BMW and Porsche. I'm not so familiar with Subie, which is one reason I went with the FRS.

Good to know.

There's the warranty issue. There's dealer discretion. And then there's this extraordinary situation of a new, much-hyped car that Toyota may want to make the extra effort for in order the save the reputation of the car and the company. Anything could happen. Or they could play dumb and leave us twisting in the wind. Like I said before, once you give someone your money, you no longer have the control.

N.B.: My recollection is that, when Saturn had problems in their first year, they responded by taking every problem car back, no questions asked, and replaced it with a new car. Expensive tactic, but a good way to maintain public trust in a new venture.

[phm14]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Good to know.

There's the warranty issue. There's dealer discretion. And then there's this extraordinary situation of a new, much-hyped car that Toyota may want to make the extra effort for in order the save the reputation of the car and the company. Anything could happen. Or they could play dumb and leave us twisting in the wind. Like I said before, once you give someone your money, you no longer have the control.

N.B.: My recollection is that, when Saturn had problems in their first year, they responded by taking every problem car back, no questions asked, and replaced it with a new car. Expensive tactic, but a good way to maintain public trust in a new venture.

True, there is some discretion. Toyota has a track record of erring on the side of the customer. I can't see them leaving anyone twisting in the wind with any legitimate issue. Case in point-when I broke the ring gear in the rear end of my modded '04 Taco 4x4 climbing boulders, they installed a complete pumpkin @ no charge. Google "toyota tacoma rust recall buy back offer" for an even better example-there are also many others...