Should I go AT or MT?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by guybo

One thing though- don't pay attention when people say that paddles are the same as manual. Wrong. It's the CLUTCH that makes the difference not so much choosing your gears.

Learn the heel n' toe shift when you get the car- start off learning to drive the stick right straight away.

Start off with heel and toe? How about people learn the basics before jumping into advanced techniques? If you are ripping around the streets using heel and toe all the time you have no business driving with the public in the first place. Those are track driving methods not street.
How does a clutch make things better? It just makes it so you can shift the gears and the paddles can do that faster and better than any person can with the clutch and shifter. So ya the paddles are NOT the same as a manual they are actually better. This is not a bloody Corolla AT we are talking about here.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by guybo

One thing though- don't pay attention when people say that paddles are the same as manual. Wrong. It's the CLUTCH that makes the difference not so much choosing your gears.

Learn the heel n' toe shift when you get the car- start off learning to drive the stick right straight away.

DANG! ......guybo, most stick drivers have enough of a challenge learning to drive a stick the granny way .......


humfrz

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Start off with heel and toe? How about people learn the basics before jumping into advanced techniques? If you are ripping around the streets using heel and toe all the time you have no business driving with the public in the first place. Those are track driving methods not street.
How does a clutch make things better? It just makes it so you can shift the gears and the paddles can do that faster and better than any person can with the clutch and shifter. So ya the paddles are NOT the same as a manual they are actually better. This is not a bloody Corolla AT we are talking about here.

I almost always heel toe to 2nd gear for turns on the street.
It's super easy in this car without driving balls to the wall.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I almost always heel toe to 2nd gear for turns on the street.
It's super easy in this car without driving balls to the wall.

I'm Ultramaroon and I approve this message.

[Ultramaroon]

OP, If you find anything interesting about this conversation, you will regret purchasing an automatic. It's a sports car. You are a sports car driver. Just go fucking have fun.

[Dadhawk]

As someone that has driven manual cars over 200,000 miles in day-to-day commuter traffic in DC, South Florida and Atlanta, I can say that once you learn how to drive a manual it will basically become "automatic" in your daily driving. You won't even realize you are changing gears even in heavy traffic, just like all the orther driving mechanics in most situations, so that shouldn't stop you from getting a MT if that is what you want.

By the same token, the AT in the 86 is very good and I don't miss having a MT.

Get what you think suits you best. As you can see the only answers you are going to get on here boil down to MT>AT4EVER and "AT in this car is very good".

It's a personal choice, and I don't think you'll regret either one.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm Ultramaroon and I approve this message.

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I almost always heel toe to 2nd gear for turns on the street.
It's super easy in this car without driving balls to the wall.

Sorry I wasn't clear there since that statement was supposed to be linked to the learn the basics first comment and it appears to be a stand alone comment in my post.
If you are brand new to MT, still learning the basics and are driving heel and toe on the streets you are an asshat! It is easy to screw up and have things go wrong until you have practice.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

OP, If you find anything interesting about this conversation, you will regret purchasing an automatic. It's a sports car. You are a sports car driver. Just go fucking have fun.

The mode of shifting does not make it a sports car. Many people do not regret buying an AT. Pretty sure the AT guys can have every bit as much fun as the MT ones.

[topcabron]

Long run you will have less problems and more fun with mt

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I almost always heel toe to 2nd gear for turns on the street.
It's super easy in this car without driving balls to the wall.

Brakes are for pussies.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The mode of shifting does not make it a sports car. Many people do not regret buying an AT. Pretty sure the AT guys can have every bit as much fun as the MT ones.

Of course not, however I stand by my implication that especially for this flavor of sports car, for those interested in traditional aspects of the driving experience, MT is an essential component.

If one is curious enough about MT to start a thread asking about it, then my advice is to go all in.

Scratch that itch. YOLO.

[guybo]

Learn it right, right from the start. Heel n toe shifting is not a track only method of shifting. It has nothing to do with shifting fast or for speed. It's the right way to shift to be easy on your trans. I do it every down shift if I am going for groceries or having fun. It's just the right way to shift and it is in no way unsafe. I'm not sure what you're smoking @Tcoat- you don't get what I said at all.

I don't know if MT or AT is faster. I don't care. MT takes a certain amount of skill and you have a lot more control over your car and a real connection that the AT doesn't have. It's in the clutch.

I'm not saying double clutch shift either.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by topcabron

Long run you will have less problems and more fun with mt

no.

especially on this one. no.

[topcabron]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

no.

especially on this one. no.

please enlighten me

If you know how to drive a mt (granted the population is less every year),and proper maintenance, You have little clutch wear, gear wear.

With an automatic, you have more shifts, more wear, more maintenance, and more moving parts. More opportunity for negative issues.