FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[_hollywood]

man I would get a mustang, I havent seen one around my area in months......its a rare beast indeed....


( checks outside window as a yellow v6 with aftermarket dual exhaust drives by)

wait I take that back

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by RaceR

My opinion:

Step 1: Test drive Toybaru
Step 2: Test drive Mustang
Step 3. Make up your own opinion
Step 4: Buy the car you like the most
Step 5: Enjoy it! Do not car about other peoples opinion, you have made up your own opinion based on your own preferences!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by RaceR

My opinion:

Step 1: Test drive Toybaru
Step 2: Test drive Mustang
Step 3. Make up your own opinion
Step 4: Buy the car you like the most
Step 5: Enjoy it! Do not car about other peoples opinion, you have made up your own opinion based on your own preferences!

Agreed.

Here's the thing, I've owned a very diverse collection of cars over the years, and there is not a single one (well, OK maybe not the Chevette) that I did not enjoy for what it was. A car is the most expensive depreciating asset you are most likely to buy in your life. By the one you can afford to throw money at that you will enjoy driving and to heck with everyone else.

As RussV says "Lifes short - no boring cars"

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by HotLava

I sold my 2005 Mustang GT manual transmission for the FR-S. For the past two years I was looking to switch from a MT car to an AT car. The 2013 'select shift' auto in the Mustangs gets terrible reviews. If you want a MT Mustang then that's fine. But for me the FR-S (short of the Lexus ISF) has one of the best ATs out there.

Keep this in mind, do you really need 420HP and a stick shift to go a 1/2 mile at 9 pm at night to get a half gallon of milk? I know that's a goofy question. But I once counted that it took me over seventy-five shifts to go about eight blocks to Office Depot on a Saturday morning in Los Angeles. At that point I had had enough of a powerful, lurching car. In bumper to bumper traffic I often had to wait until the car in front of me was about a 3/4 of a car length in front of me before enegaing the clutch. If I engaged quicker I'd have to hit the breakes again because a big V-8 just lurches forward (even at idle) and accelerates much faster than most street cars. You'll spend half your time on the brake so as not to rear end the normal cars on the road.

i get what youre saying and while i agree, i dont think its a fair argument. do you really need a low cog or whatever they are printing on brochures to sell the thing in order to get some milk? not everyone lives in the city. if i did i would probably just buy a prius c and either some coilovers or a cheap miata

[shadoquad]

Going to test a base MooseStang GT with cloth recaros and track pack this weekend. I've already tested the FR-S, so I've got my impression from that still in mind.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by Boss

The V6 mustang already beats the FRS/BRZ in all performance areas, so it's not much of a contest with a GT.

I don't frickin' think so. Come drive mountain roads with me and I will leave you in the turns all day long or you lead and and I will be on your ass the whole day. You don't know this car until you drive it on mountain roads.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

I don't frickin' think so. Come drive mountain roads with me and I will leave you in the turns all day long or you lead and and I will be on your ass the whole day. You don't know this car until you drive it on mountain roads.

depends highly on the road and drivers involved.

I have a friend who can keep up with lighter, nimbler cars in his Mustang on this road

And if the road straightens out, there went your advantage.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by HotLava

I sold my 2005 Mustang GT manual transmission for the FR-S. For the past two years I was looking to switch from a MT car to an AT car. The 2013 'select shift' auto in the Mustangs gets terrible reviews. If you want a MT Mustang then that's fine. But for me the FR-S (short of the Lexus ISF) has one of the best ATs out there.

Keep this in mind, do you really need 420HP and a stick shift to go a 1/2 mile at 9 pm at night to get a half gallon of milk? I know that's a goofy question. But I once counted that it took me over seventy-five shifts to go about eight blocks to Office Depot on a Saturday morning in Los Angeles. At that point I had had enough of a powerful, lurching car. In bumper to bumper traffic I often had to wait until the car in front of me was about a 3/4 of a car length in front of me before enegaing the clutch. If I engaged quicker I'd have to hit the breakes again because a big V-8 just lurches forward (even at idle) and accelerates much faster than most street cars. You'll spend half your time on the brake so as not to rear end the normal cars on the road.

I've been having so much fun using the paddle shifters and stick shifter when driving the mountains using the manual automatic. The car up & down shifts almost just as good as a MT. The timing is different when to shift up, shift slightly before you would in a MT. Down shift slightly later. When in the city, I put it drive and I cruise. If I want a sporty automatic, I put it in the sport mode and it shifts great for you. Just don't stomp on the gas (it will down shift too many gears to get the Rpm's up)). Firmly press the gas, the car accelerates better. It is all about finesse. The AT even match rev down shifts for you when in Auto sport mode when braking. The AT in the FRS is Frickin' Awesome!

[thill]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

I don't frickin' think so. Come drive mountain roads with me and I will leave you in the turns all day long or you lead and and I will be on your ass the whole day. You don't know this car until you drive it on mountain roads.

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Sorry, but the Mustang GT, is by far, a better performance car hands down. There is a misnomer out there that the Mustang and Gencoupe don't handle well, and that is just not the case.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by thill

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Now, tune the engine on an FT86, maybe throw some forced induction into the mix, and it may be a lot closer.

[thill]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

Now, tune the engine on an FT86, maybe throw some forced induction into the mix, and it may be a lot closer.

Maybe for the V6 Mustang. The V8 is a whole different beast.... Especially if you can find a Boss 302 on a deal.

And I am not a Mustang guy. But I certainly appreciate what it represents and the bang for the buck. Massive horespower and torque in a well handling RWD car for a dang good price.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

depends highly on the road and drivers involved.

I have a friend who can keep up with lighter, nimbler cars in his Mustang on this road

And if the road straightens out, there went your advantage.

I saw the video of this road and I would love to try it. So many Big Rigs on the road that can't make the turns without crossing the center line. Could be deadly but I would try and drive balls out.

[Secondhandloser]

Originally Posted by RaceR

My opinion:

Step 1: Test drive Toybaru
Step 2: Test drive Mustang
Step 3. Make up your own opinion
Step 4: Buy the car you like the most
Step 5: Enjoy it! Do not car about other peoples opinion, you have made up your own opinion based on your own preferences!

+1. Very different cars, down to personal preference.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by thill

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Sorry, but the Mustang GT, is by far, a better performance car hands down. There is a misnomer out there that the Mustang and Gencoupe don't handle well, and that is just not the case.

Streets of Willow is not a twisty mountain road. I bought the FRS for twisty mountain roads. When TRD makes the supercharger then I'll plenty straight line speed for such a light car. The stock FRS chassis is so much better than Mustang and the Genesis coupe. The Mustang will always handle like a tractor.