Edelbrock vs Jackson Racing

[Jmonty]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Header is probably next I will drive with the carb tune and stock header for a while before that. Don't you think the aftermarket headers make the heat soak more of an issue without the heat shield on the stock header?

The link to Vit's blog was with an Ace Header and the miles of smiles have been fantastic

[Toyota GT 86]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

1. Both kits tap out at approximately 550whp, with a full host of supporting mods. Driveability is not determined by the kit, but rather, the tune that ties all the parts together.

2. The JRSC is a shorter install; the Edelbrock kit ultimately breaks down into a lot of simple steps. The Edelbrock really requires 2 people to safely put the manifold on the engine (and only for this step).

3. The Edelbrock kit is superior for bursts of power and competitive Autox (water can absorb heat faster than air), but the JRSC is superior for long term sustained power on track (air holds less heat to be dissipated). If you're not looking for every last bit of power, than this is moot.

4. Again, your power level will dictate reliability, not the kit. Both kits are rock solid reliable.

Mike and what about the SBD Turbo vs JRSC ?? which would be better for autocross/Track use ??

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Header is probably next I will drive with the carb tune and stock header for a while before that. Don't you think the aftermarket headers make the heat soak more of an issue without the heat shield on the stock header?

That's where ceramic coating comes in

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota GT 86

Mike and what about the SBD Turbo vs JRSC ?? which would be better for autocross/Track use ??

One company races with their own product. The other does not. That speaks volumes, and the silence from the other is deafening.

Plus, front mounted turbos have mega heat management issues, especially with a more experienced driver.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

One company races with their own product. The other does not. That speaks volumes, and the silence from the other is deafening.

Plus, front mounted turbos have mega heat management issues, especially with a more experienced driver.

Is a vented hood enough to negate that? Where do you consider the best turbo placement to be?

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I plan on deciding between a c38 & c30 not sure on heat generated or efficiency, but here is a good article done by vit he's a tuner on the forums.

It may help you decide....

http://blog.vittuned.com/jackson-rac...ft-86-fr-sbrz/

Interesting info on running the HBP on the C38 with pump. Is this the current consensus amongst experienced tuners, or is Vit a wildman on the dyno?

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Interesting info on running the HBP on the C38 with pump. Is this the current consensus amongst experienced tuners, or is Vit a wildman on the dyno?

Look up "tuner" in the dictionary. There's a picture of Vit.

So far until I come up with a better plan, for the sake of longevity my long-term plan is to underdrive a c38.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Interesting info on running the HBP on the C38 with pump. Is this the current consensus amongst experienced tuners, or is Vit a wildman on the dyno?

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I found that tid-bit interesting as well . I haven't heard the opinion of other tuners. I know CSG and JRSC will advise against running pump on the HBP...guessing because you're more prone to knock and pre-ignition.

However a good tune should be able to prevent those occurrences so I'm not so sure whats the deal.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I found that tid-bit interesting as well . I haven't heard the opinion of other tuners. I know CSG and JRSC will advise against running pump on the HBP...guessing because you're more prone to knock and pre-ignition.

However a good tune should be able to prevent those occurrences so I'm not so sure whats the deal.

Probably make significantly less power

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Is a vented hood enough to negate that? Where do you consider the best turbo placement to be?

A vented hood doesn't make radiant heat go away.

Know how a hot frying pan will feel hot if you put your hand close to it? Imagine a hot turbocharger + all the exhaust piping sitting at the front of your engine bay.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A vented hood doesn't make radiant heat go away.

Know how a hot frying pan will feel hot if you put your hand close to it? Imagine a hot turbocharger + all the exhaust piping sitting at the front of your engine bay.

Yes but a hit frying pan inside an oven is worse than a hot pan on the stove top.

Where do you consider the "best" location for a turbo to be?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I found that tid-bit interesting as well . I haven't heard the opinion of other tuners. I know CSG and JRSC will advise against running pump on the HBP...guessing because you're more prone to knock and pre-ignition.

However a good tune should be able to prevent those occurrences so I'm not so sure whats the deal.

Can =/= should.

Whether you can actually safely run a HBP on pump depends on your supporting mods, and tune. Because there are so many permutations and tuner choices, the safer recommendation is to give a blanket "No", and let the end user talk to their choice of tuner and decide if they want to go against the recommendation.

The car tuned by Vit, uses an Ace A/350 ceramic coated header.

The CSG BRZ (also with a ceramic coated Ace header) is capable of redlining on a C30 with HBP on ACN91, but isn't typically run that way on track. Even with a 91 octane tune, race gas is utilized at the track.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Yes but a hit frying pan inside an oven is worse than a hot pan on the stove top.

Where do you consider the "best" location for a turbo to be?

The best location, is what allows for the shortest combination of charge piping and runners. Everything is a compromise. EG a FA20DIT has ultra short runners, but pretty long charge piping.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The best location, is what allows for the shortest combination of charge piping and runners. Everything is a compromise. EG a FA20DIT has ultra short runners, but pretty long charge piping.

I meant for heat