Clutch Squeaks at the end of travel... clutch fork?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Gents, this is one time I'll emphatically disagree with you. The pivots are bone dry. I'll leave it at that.

I have never had mine apart so will have to concede to you on this one. Mine makes no noise though so don't know what is different between them all.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have never had mine apart so will have to concede to you on this one. Mine makes no noise though so don't know what is different between them all.

I've wondered about that. I think it's a matter of the kind of miles. I do 90% stop&go congested and use the hell out of my clutch. You do highway miles for days. I bet if we took temperature readings in the bell housing we'd find the difference.

I'd buy your used car over mine in a heartbeat. Well, except mine hasn't ever seen road salt.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I've wondered about that. I think it's a matter of the kind of miles. I do 90% stop&go congested and use the hell out of my clutch.

You do highway miles for days. I'd buy your used car over mine in a heartbeat.

That could be it. I do very little city driving. Still find it odd that the OP's being a 16 with so little miles on it would have the lube dry up/disappear though. It makes no sense. That is why I asked if it did it while running.


Actually I thought we established that it was my vastly superior shifting skills that has preserved mine!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Actually I thought we established that it was my vastly superior shifting skills that has preserved mine!

Well, yeah, that too. No need to rub it in.

[treminaor]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So, does it make the noise when running? Many parts on a car make weird sounds when not being used as designed. The clutch fork and TOB are supposed to function with the engine spinning not with it off. That noise would not worry me at all unless it happened when the car was running.

It does happen just as loud when the car is idling or I'm shifting from 1st to 2nd. Once I get going into higher gears it either stops happening, or (more likely) I just can't hear it over the road noise anymore.

I drive my car pretty hard, the way it was built to be driven in my opinion - so I wouldn't say I'm at all easy on my clutch but I certainly don't grind through gears or abuse it in any other way - I know how to drive and I certainly didn't learn on this car.

I do however take advantage of freeway onramps, I race light to light frequently, I launch the car, I like to have a good time with it (haven't tracked it yet). However every other aspect of the car is still in great shape, the tires and brakes are no where near worn yet so I can't imagine the clutch should look any worse if the proper lubrication had been used from the start.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by treminaor

It does happen just as loud when the car is idling or I'm shifting from 1st to 2nd. Once I get going into higher gears it either stops happening, or (more likely) I just can't hear it over the road noise anymore.

I drive my car pretty hard, the way it was built to be driven in my opinion - so I wouldn't say I'm at all easy on my clutch but I certainly don't grind through gears or abuse it in any other way - I know how to drive and I certainly didn't learn on this car.

I do however take advantage of freeway onramps, I race light to light frequently, I launch the car, I like to have a good time with it (haven't tracked it yet). However every other aspect of the car is still in great shape, the tires and brakes are no where near worn yet so I can't imagine the clutch should look any worse if the proper lubrication had been used from the start.

Well, now, there ya go .....

You went and used up all of the clutch fork grease and didn't give it a chance to grow some more .....


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Gents, this is one time I'll emphatically disagree with you. The pivots are bone dry. I'll leave it at that.

Question:

@Ultramaroon , I thought you had a method of sneaking past the rubber boot and lubricating whatever makes that squeak ..... ??


humfrz

[treminaor]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well, now, there ya go .....

You went and used up all of the clutch fork grease and didn't give it a chance to grow some more .....
humfrz

That's how I drive my cars, never had a problem with grease turning to sludge before this. If I was going drive it like a grandma it the whole time I would have bought a manual Corolla and called it a day.

[treminaor]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Question:

@Ultramaroon , I thought you had a method of sneaking past the rubber boot and lubricating whatever makes that squeak ..... ??


humfrz

I did see that mentioned in a topic but it seems you're just adding more grease to the sludge mess instead of cleaning it properly and applying it fresh...

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by treminaor

I did see that mentioned in a topic but it seems you're just adding more grease to the sludge mess instead of cleaning it properly and applying it fresh...

Well, I would agree that if you have to drop the transmission to get to the clutch fork, one might as well clean it up good and lub it with some fresh HD stuff.

However, it's my understanding that the clutch fork is a piece of metal that is pushed on one end (that has sort of a socket) by a rod (that comes out of the slave cylinder), pivots in the center on a ball and socket thingy and has two forks on the other end that pushes against the TOB (release bearing).

Now, where is it squeaking ....... I reckon at one or more of those contact points .... ??

So, if that is the case, and one could reach the squeaking joint from sneaking past the rod boot to get some grease in there ...... that would solve the problem ...... although it wouldn't be all clean and pretty and may require more grease from time to time.

Now, it appears that we have four possible methods for dealing with the situation.

* the @Tcoat method ..... which is to ignore that the problem exists, because his old worn out ears can't hear the squeak.

* the @Ultramaroon method ...... which is to drop the transmission, clean it up and lubricate it with a HD lubricant.

* the Bubba method ..... stick the plastic tube from a silicone spray can, past the rubber boot of the slave cylinder rod and pull the trigger until the fork stops squeaking.

* the humfrz method ....... ignore it although it may wear out the parts after a few hundreds of thousands of miles


30 minutes to ....... turkey time !! .........


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well, I would agree that if you have to drop the transmission to get to the clutch fork, one might as well clean it up good and lub it with some fresh HD stuff.

However, it's my understanding that the clutch fork is a piece of metal that is pushed on one end (that has sort of a socket) by a rod (that comes out of the slave cylinder), pivots in the center on a ball and socket thingy and has two forks on the other end that pushes against the TOB (release bearing).

Now, where is it squeaking ....... I reckon at one or more of those contact points .... ??

So, if that is the case, and one could reach the squeaking joint from sneaking past the rod boot to get some grease in there ...... that would solve the problem ...... although it wouldn't be all clean and pretty and may require more grease from time to time.

Now, it appears that we have four possible methods for dealing with the situation.

* the @Tcoat method ..... which is to ignore that the problem exists, because his old worn out ears can't hear the squeak.

* the @Ultramaroon method ...... which is to drop the transmission, clean it up and lubricate it with a HD lubricant.

* the Bubba method ..... stick the plastic tube from a silicone spray can, past the rubber boot of the slave cylinder rod and pull the trigger until the fork stops squeaking.

* the humfrz method ....... ignore it although it may wear out the parts after a few hundreds of thousands of miles


30 minutes to ....... turkey time !! .........


humfrz

Oh believe me I went and pumped that clutch 20 times. There is no squeak, crunch, pop, whine, or any other noise from mine. Although you are correct that even if there was a noise like that I would probably ignore it as long as everything still worked 100% OK.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by treminaor

It does happen just as loud when the car is idling or I'm shifting from 1st to 2nd. Once I get going into higher gears it either stops happening, or (more likely) I just can't hear it over the road noise anymore.

I drive my car pretty hard, the way it was built to be driven in my opinion - so I wouldn't say I'm at all easy on my clutch but I certainly don't grind through gears or abuse it in any other way - I know how to drive and I certainly didn't learn on this car.

I do however take advantage of freeway onramps, I race light to light frequently, I launch the car, I like to have a good time with it (haven't tracked it yet). However every other aspect of the car is still in great shape, the tires and brakes are no where near worn yet so I can't imagine the clutch should look any worse if the proper lubrication had been used from the start.

I was not insinuating in any way that you did anything or did not know how to drive. Take it to another dealer or speak to the service manager at the one you went to before and try again.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Question:

@Ultramaroon , I thought you had a method of sneaking past the rubber boot and lubricating whatever makes that squeak ..... ??


humfrz

Originally Posted by treminaor

I did see that mentioned in a topic but it seems you're just adding more grease to the sludge mess instead of cleaning it properly and applying it fresh...

^^yup, this^^

OP, if you just grab the end of the fork and pull it back to compress the slave piston, you can get a few good jiggles of the fork about the main pivot. That will quiet it down for a little while.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by treminaor

That's how I drive my cars, never had a problem with grease turning to sludge before this. If I was going drive it like a grandma it the whole time I would have bought a manual Corolla and called it a day.

Tcoat & humfrz are good guys. We just cut up a LOT. No offense intended.