FT-86 II Concept Photos from Geneva!! Motherload of photos.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Calais

ichi even though i agree with you, you have to see the point he is making yes he IS exaggerating the percentages BUT to the normal consumer(majority) who dont know/care about handling all they see is hp numbers and 1/4 mile times and go "oh so this car is slow im not going to get it" they dont understand power to wieght ratio or any of that, hell to be honest these people are the ones who are solely attracted to the car by its looks, and then they go make the decision based on the salespeople from ford & nissan saying "but the toyota isnt as fast as this car it dosnt have as much hp as ours, so its not as good" and they'll believe that.

Yes, I know he's been over exaggerating. BUT reading over and over his 1% BS, after a while, I get sick of reading it.

Current consumer want nice gas saver. Don't want any pig gas sucker. Consumer want dd car that looks nice & get good gas mileage. Z, yes it look awesome, but gas mileage? HA! you can forget about that.

Also most ppl I've talk to in Japan hate Z. It has so much needless low end tq, it's pain in the ass to drive in regular road in Japan. 1/4 mile? only straight big road in Japan is payway (freeway isn't really free in Japan). So ppl in Japan gonna care about that? Ha, doubt that.

My point is Jordo need to stop thinking only US! Z & Stang blah blah blah has good point and give him for that, but that's only for US and limited consumers and not all the consumers. Don't state that is a fact of the world.

[Calais]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes, I know he's been over exaggerating. BUT reading over and over his 1% BS, after a while, I get sick of reading it.

Current consumer want nice gas saver. Don't want any pig gas sucker. Consumer want dd car that looks nice & get good gas mileage. Z, yes it look awesome, but gas mileage? HA! you can forget about that.

Also most ppl I've talk to in Japan hate Z. It has so much needless low end tq, it's pain in the ass to drive in regular road in Japan. 1/4 mile? only straight big road in Japan is payway (freeway isn't really free in Japan). So ppl in Japan gonna care about that? Ha, doubt that.

My point is Jordo need to stop thinking only US! Z & Stang blah blah blah has good point and give him for that, but that's only for US and limited consumers and not all the consumers. Don't state that is a fact of the world.

was going to write this acutally but being 1:42am here now and ive gota be up at 6am im knid of zoned out thanks for making that point for me

[DrunkenMime]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Thinking about the longer front... I wonder if they made it longer to raise the hood to comply with pedestrian safety regs, but still keep a similar profile ?

I'm thinking it's for the front crash bar installation?

[DrunkenMime]

I wasn't liking what they did with this concept compared to the first, but after looking at all the pictures in this thread, it's growing on me.

I'd still order one without the stupid spoiler and still not loving the fender vents...one of the details I loved about the first concept was the "kink"/crease behind the front wheel wells, and up into hood.

Toyota needs to keep this car a TOYOTA though....no Scion please...and keep it low weight, high powered...and I'll be a buyer

I seriously doubt the Subie version will look anywhere near as nice

[Rubedo]

Originally Posted by Calais

actually they are young guys 18-25 yr olds mostly also see older guys too and the cars that you mention are cheaper than the ft will be actually are pretty damn expensive in aus, the rsx is still selling for near 30-40k, so too are some s2k's and i still see a rare mr2 hitting 30k every now and then.

yes we dont mention them because they are alot bigger in size than the ft

I feel bad for you guys in AUS, here in the US RSX's are going for between 6-12k

And the IS300/Altezza is about the same size as the RSX and was built for the same reason the FT is being built, Power Drifting =)

[Hachiroku]

Some more photos from a slightly different angle/distance.

[Dragonitti]

Has like a Ferrari Esque kinda shape (side profile)

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Don't start bullshit rumors. This car is definitely not a 370Z competitor. Could not possibly be with 200 odd horsepower. The S2000 is a 350Z class car, So that isn't the competition either. For the record, both of those cars are well over $30k, so I really don't think that a ~$24K car is shooting for the exact same "demographic".

Please, if you are going to make those kind of statements, say "I speculate that...".

Outside of America..

More specifically, Asia-region, Japan and Europe. Toyota does not have a sports coupe.
Currently, and in the next 2 years, Toyota will no doubt be competing forcibly with other OEM's entry coupes, which in this case includes the 370zs and Miatas.

Its suppose to be Toyota's answer to the S15, Honda's type R Integra/Civic... but its quiet obvious its going to compete with what ever car is on the market that has 2 doors and a coupe body. That is within 20% of its price range.

In Australia, as of right now, if Toyota releases this, it'll be most likely priced around $45K to $55K. The 370Z is priced around $65K and the RX8 is $55K.


When I mentioned S2000 before hand, I believe it was one of their benchmarks. Size, dimension and engine size wise its pretty much on the range of the FT86. Power output wise, I think MOST here is merely hoping its close to the S2000, which has around 170kW or 220hp.

[verlumpt]

any chance of some interior shots?

[M28Cruiser]

Long time lurker. Finally registered today. I am definitely excited about the new 86. It looks great. I can't wait to see the specs and test drive it. Hopefully I can convince the wifee by the time it is available that I don't need AWD for a DD. Or better yet… Toyota should make an optional AWD version (BUT just don’t offer it as AUTO tranny only!).

OP - thanks for posting the pics!!! One request…. can you post close up pics of the blonde in post #384. Just kidding!

Matt

[Jordo!]

1. Does this forum represent exactly 1% of all possible car buyers or even sports car buyers -- I have no idea, but the answer is you (we) are a very small minority.

2. How do I know that -- answer: There are almost no new cars in production that reflect your fervent wishes for a lightweight NA sports car. Why? THERE IS ALMOST NO MARKET FOR IT.

Toyota is hoping that they can recreate one -- BUT, if they are smart, they will not ignore the other market forces at work -- consumers have moved towards some muscle over luxury or economy.

Which cars have survived, even with the return of the pony cars: Four door "rally cars" with turbos.


3. I couldn't care less if the rest of the world has a deeper appreciation for underpowered NA sports cars because if the car never goes on sale in America it doesn't help me. Lots of cool cars go on sale in Europe that don't come here, and that is awesome -- for them.

4. News of the FT-86 is everywhere and the most frequently occuring comment is: "I hope it's not all show, no go." not "I sure hope this thing doesn't have a turbo".

HP sells cars in the good old US of A (never mind whether the engine makes it for like 100 RPM at peak -- that's another story), not slalom or braking times.

Toyota just needs to get this car to manage a 0-60 in under 7 seconds, and it will sell. If it's over 7 seconds, it will be deemed "another lackluster Toyota 'sporty' car".

Just my prediction... who knows, maybe everything that's happend in the past has no bearing on the future and everyone will be blown away by it's underpowered awesomeness.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

I think it's just a states thing then, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to mash a gas pedal and go fast.

On the same hand it takes more than a good driver to enjoy a nice mountain pass. I like my civic. Light, responsive and fast at the track. Not the fastest but I'm faster than a few people in "superior powered" cars.

Stupid Americans just want a fast sporty car cause all their roads are straight lines I guess.

[cyde01]

2700 lbs and 200 hp, i highly doubt that the 0-60 would be in the 7s... just sayin..

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

I think it's just a states thing then, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to mash a gas pedal and go fast.

On the same hand it takes more than a good driver to enjoy a nice mountain pass. I like my civic. Light, responsive and fast at the track. Not the fastest but I'm faster than a few people in "superior powered" cars.

Stupid Americans just want a fast sporty car cause all their roads are straight lines I guess.

Because they want to be NASCAR drivers.
I don't see why being fast on the straight is kool if you will. When I ride on my bike I would overtake any car less than 450 hp, but I don't even bother. There is no point to go fast like a NASCAR driver.

I always enjoy the 1/2mile twisty near my house and suddenly feel boring to go fast on the straight line(free way).