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10-18-2016, 02:31 PM | #15 |
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The power band looks the same with the 17 elevated a little on the graph.
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Here's @DarkSunrise ' s excellent post on the dip. A lot of cars have them. How much you feel it depends on how you drive, gearing, total HP and TQ. Quote:
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everyone says this car needs more power...what they really mean is i wish it had more low-end torque
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Lets be honest though, smoothing that torque curve with a header and tune makes a day and night difference.
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At the risk of beating a dead horse:
I think that the whole discussion about lack of power and torque is fuelled by the North American car culture, where people are used to big engines and loads of torque and straight line push. European and Asian markets are quite different, where vehicle dynamics matter more the raw power. The whole car modding scene is also way bigger in NA then Europe where lots of passionate enthusiasts drive their car relatively unchanged, especially when it come to engine modifications. The discussion here is always goes the same, blah blah need power, my Mustang is cheaper and has more power blah blah. But if you look at the overall package, the 86 is just an exceptionally balanced offering. 100 hp per liter (now even 102.5 hp), an engine with two characters, one below 4500 rpm where it's easy going and compliant, and 4500 rpm and up, where it becomes spirited and happy. And I honestly don't believe 80 % of the people complaining about the torque dip. They have no idea, see a graph and pretend they have a 'state of the art butt dyno' that feels the dip in torque. Yes, the engine changes and you feel the transition when you rev it, but that is not a torque dip. Would I LIKE more power? Sure, I am an enthusiast and the whole idea of tweaking and tuning appeals to me. But there is a chance that you disturb the balance Toyota/Subaru have been trying to accomplish with the car. So personally I would never go overboard and try to make the car into something it is not designed to be. If I wanted that, I would have bought a different car to begin with. Do I NEED more power, of course not. Not for daily driving on public roads. Things are different when you use it as track car, but Toyota/Subaru and the after market business has lots of offering to make the 86 even more competent than it already is.
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The north american car market also caters to people driving on well maintained, high speed limit highways with little curves normally.
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I dont really agree with majority of this article starting with design and materials. Though the design looks much better in person than in pictures or video, I cant help but feel that this refreshed face will not age well. The additional "aggression" they've added is quite disruptive to the flow of the design especially when you assess everything from body and fender to nose of the facia. The headlights are very reminiscent of FT86 concept 2 lights so I do like them but not as much as the original GT86 lights. The "subtle" badges of 86 are not really that subtle when they're literally plastered everywhere throughout the car. This granlux material is very nice to the touch but unless you're really good at maintaining materials like alcantara, suede and etc i can see this actually being a con in the long term (for those of you guys who have experience with dirty alcantara/suede, you know what i'm talking about). Then again, these are just my opinion and I suppose its different strokes for different folks.
Also in regards to topic of power on the streets... Since I've neither driven anything above 200hp or track my FR-S my opinion may differ from majority, but i have never felt that this car had inadequate amount of power or torque for daily driving. Most people dont really rev their engines to their peak torque/hp on normal roads so if i downshift im usually accelerating enough to be able to pass most people... |
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The Pistonheads forum based in Brittan seem to hold the same opinion as the motoheads over here.
"Needs 300 horsepowers or it's useless." - From all the tiny diesel repmobile drivers. They don't get it either.
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What sort of review did you guys expect from a place called "Hooniverse" anyway?
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