Quick coilover question

[Nah]

ST suspension... looks like a great budget coilover. I'm not planning to lower the car past 50mm.

My question is, do I need LCA's or camber bolts to get my camber right after installing? I'd rather just wait to throw everything on all at once if needed. It's a DD but I do drive spiritedly when I can.

Thanks Fam

[Shark_Bait88]

If it's just a DD with some occasional spirited driving, you don't really need much (if any) camber adjustment. Camber becomes more of an issue if you're driving the car hard in a track or autox setting. Some camber bolts in the front might not be a bad idea, but you really shouldn't need significant amounts of camber for DD.

[Nah]

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

If it's just a DD with some occasional spirited driving, you don't really need much (if any) camber adjustment. Camber becomes more of an issue if you're driving the car hard in a track or autox setting. Some camber bolts in the front might not be a bad idea, but you really shouldn't need significant amounts of camber for DD.

What's your setup? Alright cool just don't feel like lowering the car paying for an alignment just for me to pay for camber bolts or LCA and get another alignment.

[churchx]

If it's mostly DD, then for NVH sake it's worth keep using stock rubber tops vs pillowball camplates. And in such case LCA/camberbolts is most popular (and reasonably priced at that) way to dial in negative camber, which is handy for occasional track days / spirited drives ..
You won't get much camber by just camberbolts, but then again it's not worth adjusting to much neg. camber for mostly daily driven car. I'd say, some -1.5 front/-1 rear up to -2.5F/-2R might be ok. More - mostly if you visit track often.

[Nah]

Originally Posted by churchx

If it's mostly DD, then for NVH sake it's worth keep using stock rubber tops vs pillowball camplates. And in such case LCA/camberbolts is most popular (and reasonably priced at that) way to dial in negative camber, which is handy for occasional track days / spirited drives ..
You won't get much camber by just camberbolts, but then again it's not worth adjusting to much neg. camber for mostly daily driven car. I'd say, some -1.5 front/-1 rear up to -2.5F/-2R might be ok. More - mostly if you visit track often.

ST coilovers keep those stock rubber tops right? Yes I agree, LCA and camberbolts are indeed reasonably priced. I just want everything in spec when lowered 1.5 inches if that...

Spacers, hubcentric 20mm by b2 auto designs they claim bolt on... is this true? I thought with spacers that big you'd have to extend those studs

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Nah

I just want everything in spec when lowered 1.5 inches if that...

What does 'in spec' mean to you?

Less than -1 degree of camber on all four corners for tire wear?
between -1 and -2 degrees because sportscar?
-2 to -3 degrees because racecar?
-5 degrees because stance?

Assuming you mean 'factory specifications' because you are mostly concerned with tire wear and you want approximately -1 degrees of camber: the fronts will be fine, the rear will have noticeably increased camber when lowered ~2" (which is a lot imo, 25.4mm = 1", 50mm = 1.97"), I'd guess you'll end up about -2 degrees of camber or more in the rear which won't cause any major problems aside from marginally increased rear tire wear on the inner shoulder.

If you want to maximize tire life, pick up a set of rear LCA's if you're lowering that much.

No you don't need to buy toe adjustment pieces, factory is good enough.

As for the spacers, look at the picture closely, you use the factory studs to bolt on the spacer, then you bolt the wheel to the spacer:




Sounds like this is all for looks so if that's what you want then go for it.

[Fenix]

Originally Posted by Nah

ST suspension... looks like a great budget coilover. I'm not planning to lower the car past 50mm.

My question is, do I need LCA's or camber bolts to get my camber right after installing? I'd rather just wait to throw everything on all at once if needed. It's a DD but I do drive spiritedly when I can.

Thanks Fam

Coilovers are unnecessary for your needs.

• BILSTEIN B8 Performance Plus Shocks + Swift Sport Springs
• TRD Sway Bars or
• Whiteline Sway Bars

You could also look into JDM parts.
• TRD JP
• STI JP

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Nah

ST suspension... looks like a great budget coilover. I'm not planning to lower the car past 50mm.

My question is, do I need LCA's or camber bolts to get my camber right after installing? I'd rather just wait to throw everything on all at once if needed. It's a DD but I do drive spiritedly when I can.

50mm is 2" of drop, just FYI.

As for your question: yes, you need camber correction but it depends on how much you want to lower the car. "no more than 50mm drop" is not an answer nor does it provide useful information on what your alignment will end up being.

-alex

[Nah]

Alright I'm going to try and be as specific as possible... I'm not an expert but this isn't my first car outta high school that I've modded

the absolute end result of my suspension needs would have to be able to accommodate larger wheels and handle a mild supercharger setup.

As for feel, I'd like my suspension to be prepared for light track duty yet comfy for the street.

I rode in a buddy who had Megan coilovers and while the stiffness made handling feel better that coil binding sound killed me. Could've been due to a shitty coilover or install I don't know.

Personally in my previous cars I've never ran coilovers I'd use koni shocks with lowering springs and be done with it but I stayed all motor and never had bigger wheels.

Right now, I have full bolt ons (JDL uel) and I'm tuned for e85. Next I'll do suspension, than 18 inch wheels (volk enkei etc.), than brakes, a clutch, and of course finally the S.C. with all the other supporting mods.

So taking all this into consideration, what would you suggest? I'm a patient person I don't mind saving money up for something that will allow growth for the future. forget about the spacers unless I will absolutely need them lol

Thank you!

[churchx]

2" drop is also something i wouldn't want to suggest to anyone that daily drives car as it ought to be driven, instead of crabwalks over speedbumps un steep driveways, bottom scraping and bottoming out suspension everywhere or living with too harsh one. Please limit that stupid lowering within 1". Our cars are not that high to begin with.

[Nah]

Originally Posted by churchx

2" drop is also something i wouldn't want to suggest to anyone that daily drives car as it ought to be driven, instead of crabwalks over speedbumps un steep driveways, bottom scraping and bottoming out suspension everywhere or living with too harsh one. Please limit that stupid lowering within 1". Our cars are not that high to begin with.

I clearly stated I'm looking to drop 1.5 inches IF THAT. lol don't limit yourself now buddy (;

And Fenix what are you his cheerleader? Lol gohd

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Nah

I clearly stated I'm looking to drop 1.5 inches IF THAT. lol don't limit yourself now buddy (;

And Fenix what are you his cheerleader? Lol gohd

Originally Posted by Nah

I'm not planning to lower the car past 50mm.

The laws of physics are a harsh mistress. Good luck with your setup.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Nah

I clearly stated I'm looking to drop 1.5 inches IF THAT. lol don't limit yourself now buddy (;

And Fenix what are you his cheerleader? Lol gohd

Meh, I'm around a 2" drop, and have a CS lip. Only a couple places I have problems and those are just ridiculously designed entry/exits with either huge dips/huge humps. If you have a super abrupt steep driveway or those incredibly giant speed bumps you may have problems. Normal speed bumps etc are fine. And that's up here in CT where the winters tear the roads up, your roads are probably nicer down there (sans Hurricanes ).

No experience with them, but ST coils are based on KW V1's which are decent for the money. Get SPC camber bolts for the front and SPC LCA's for the rear, and get it aligned by a good shop after you set the ride height. If you don't like the height, set it differently (though you'll have to align again). That's the beauty of coilovers.

[smg1138]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Meh, I'm around a 2" drop, and have a CS lip. Only a couple places I have problems and those are just ridiculously designed entry/exits with either huge dips/huge humps. If you have a super abrupt steep driveway or those incredibly giant speed bumps you may have problems. Normal speed bumps etc are fine. And that's up here in CT where the winters tear the roads up, your roads are probably nicer down there (sans Hurricanes ).

I can't even imagine being able to pull that off. Even at only a 1" drop with no body kit I still scrape sometimes. It's usually just the front lip or resonator on my exhaust, but it still bugs me every time it happens.