2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[Dake]

Originally Posted by winstonscifi

Here's my solution to the armrest problem:

This cost about $7.00 shipped.

It may be cheap, but at least it looks awful.

[one2onejackpot]

I love the new wheels, the headlights are a definite improvement. Personally, I do not like the front bumper cover at all. I don't know how it fits into the Toyota lineup at all. Toyota has typically done a good job at that each generation. Like with all the new Lexus vehicles, you know they are all apart of the Lexus family of cars. The tail lights look too aftermarket than quirky Japanese, which is what I loved about the originals, just like how I don't care for Subaru putting the LED running lights in the headlight housing in their update, it loses it's uniquely Japanese style.

I am super happy they decided to use the 86 nameplate. However, is it just me, or did they go way overboard on putting 86 all over the car? Plus, I miss the old 86 boxer badge.

I still can't believe it doesn't come standard with a spoiler and fog lights now that it's a Toyota and they can charge more. I know there'll probably be an add on option, but I hope they do a GT86 package and bring it up to the level of a BRZ Limited.

Plus, Toyota has a long history of axing convertibles out of their planned lineup, they did the same thing with the Celica. Too bad knowing that the twins were built from the ground up as a convertible. (I still would've opted for the hardtop.)

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

So yours work like... the space shuttles? I think I might need an upgrade

Yes, mine are RCS thrusters. I'm not going to mention it to the dealer.

[Phijkchu]

Originally Posted by one2onejackpot

. Too bad knowing that the twins were built from the ground up as a convertible. (I still would've opted for the hardtop.)

What? Then why didn't they release the so called convertible?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Phijkchu

What? Then why didn't they release the so called convertible?

That's the first I've heard if this too

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by one2onejackpot

I love the new wheels, the headlights are a definite improvement. Personally, I do not like the front bumper cover at all. I don't know how it fits into the Toyota lineup at all. Toyota has typically done a good job at that each generation. Like with all the new Lexus vehicles, you know they are all apart of the Lexus family of cars. The tail lights look too aftermarket than quirky Japanese, which is what I loved about the originals, just like how I don't care for Subaru putting the LED running lights in the headlight housing in their update, it loses it's uniquely Japanese style.

I am super happy they decided to use the 86 nameplate. However, is it just me, or did they go way overboard on putting 86 all over the car? Plus, I miss the old 86 boxer badge.

I still can't believe it doesn't come standard with a spoiler and fog lights now that it's a Toyota and they can charge more. I know there'll probably be an add on option, but I hope they do a GT86 package and bring it up to the level of a BRZ Limited.

Plus, Toyota has a long history of axing convertibles out of their planned lineup, they did the same thing with the Celica. Too bad knowing that the twins were built from the ground up as a convertible. (I still would've opted for the hardtop.)

Ummmmm the front bumper fits right in with the 17 toyotas. The whole line up is getting a drippy nosed, angry fish face with gills included.



There was a concept convertible but to say the car was designed as one is totally opposite to the story they told about going coupe instead if hatch for rigidity. They certainly didn't start with a convert when looking for rigid.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

That's the first I've heard if this too

That's because it's wrong.

Designing this car as a "convertible from the ground up" would fly in the face of pretty much everything the car was designed to do in regards to chassis rigidity and weight savings.

[one2onejackpot]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ummmmm the front bumper fits right in with the 17 toyotas. The whole line up is getting a drippy nosed, angry fish face with gills included.



There was a concept convertible but to say the car was designed as one is totally opposite to the story they told about going coupe instead if hatch for rigidity. They certainly didn't start with a convert when looking for rigid.

I didn't realize Toyota was going in that direction, although if you look at the redesigned 2017 Prius and 2017 Rav4, the Corolla is actually the oddball of the group. Of course the 86 is going to look more radical in it's design do to the nature of it's smaller enthusiast group. It looks like the new design direction, for Toyota over all, is to flare the fog lights out at the corners with an even tighter grill. I'll guess we'll know more when the 2018 Camry is finally revealed. Even the Lexus look makes no sense as far as there market demographic goes. I love the RC, but is the average Lexus buyer going to like the sharp lines of the RX? They held back a bit on the ES, but that car even idles lower than a Camry and drives/shifts so much slower. So, they know their market there.

As far as the convertible goes, "Toyota has admitted that the FR-S and its clone were designed from the ground up to spawn droptop variants, though the rear seats will be sacrificed in the process." http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars

"Toyota claims it is further evaluating how going topless can impact the performance, balance, weight, aerodynamics, and rigidity of the GT 86. But it somewhat paradoxically also states that the car was designed with development of a cabriolet in mind from the start." http://www.caranddriver.com/news/toy...-and-info-news

You are correct, a coupe is more ridge than a hatch & convertible, but they choose a coupe to save on weight. "The FR-S is kept to a minimum weight by utilizing an aluminum hood, a solid roof, and by featuring a trunk design instead of a hatchback." http://media.scion.ca/releases/2013-...e-sport-234313

I also remember reading another in depth article on this but can't remember the source.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Subaru 86. "Toyota readily admits the lion’s share of the development was done by Subaru." http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

I could do without the cricket sound induced by Toyota's D-4S port/direct injection system to Subaru's FA20. I mean Subaru only has been making boxer flat engines for over 45 years.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Crickets were last on the list of things that bothered me, and the 86 is silent so far. I wonder how much more a convertible 86 would weigh?

I think the 86 will still appeal to the "Fresh As F*ck" crowd, but they need to sell it to the 30-something and up looking for a car that is more fun than a Camry without spending 45 grand. If it does not sell to that crowd, goodbye 86.

[Zaku]

@Tcoat is right again,Why don't I help clear up somethings and add on. Even if Toyota was pushing to get its drop top concept made. I've actually had this discussion with Moto-San and Ichitaka before on the convertible. First it wouldn't have been made because Subaru basically said "hell no" second, when questioned about if the car was designed from ththe ground up as a covertible, this was a mis translation by an Australian magazine and every other major media took it as wrote a story on it. Toyota PR ran with it they needed fuel to get the car made. More when asked about the convertible Moto San one of the few people who drove th concept said " you don't want it,it's kinda wobbly" and lastly when asked about this topic about Tada San and If he did do it from the ground up. The answer I got from Moto San was "are you sure Tada San wasnt drinking before that interview? How many beers did you think he had?"

We went over the convertible thing many years ago and as a supporter of it I wanted it to happen, but honestly the coupe is what it is and it's beautiful.

So source c & d and everything as much as they say.

I'll trust the words of the person who actually help design it and the chief engineer.

In fact if you search the old thread and maybe some FB posts on the topic you can actually find our conclusions on the topic.

[Phijkchu]

Originally Posted by one2onejackpot

As far as the convertible goes, "Toyota has admitted that the FR-S and its clone were designed from the ground up to spawn droptop variants, though the rear seats will be sacrificed in the process." http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars

"Toyota claims it is further evaluating how going topless can impact the performance, balance, weight, aerodynamics, and rigidity of the GT 86. But it somewhat paradoxically also states that the car was designed with development of a cabriolet in mind from the start." http://www.caranddriver.com/news/toy...-and-info-news

The bolded areas clarify that they had the cabriolet in mind but not the fact that it was designed to be one to begin with a la Boxster or Miata. Given the fact that one has not come out yet as well, it seems that not only the price, but the convertible not meeting their standards of rigidity and safety is why it hasn't been produced yet.

[one2onejackpot]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Crickets were last on the list of things that bothered me, and the 86 is silent so far. I wonder how much more a convertible 86 would weigh?

I think the 86 will still appeal to the "Fresh As F*ck" crowd, but they need to sell it to the 30-something and up looking for a car that is more fun than a Camry without spending 45 grand. If it does not sell to that crowd, goodbye 86.

I put 6K into my car doing more than 95% of the work myself (I did not install the upgraded brake kit, put on new tires or do the alignment,) getting it ready as a grip racer before going all power. Next upgrade, Jackson Racing Super Charger. Now, to just save up the funds.That, I will not be installing myself.

I totally agree they should go after the 30-something market, which I am apart off. Everyone wants more power. Then you have to decide if you want a fun car that can slip its tail out with confidence, or do you want to go with an all drift setup or an all grip setup.

Actually, I was just talking about this to my friend yesterday. Right now, my cars handling is so neutral. I have no oversteer or understeer since I have that chassis buckled down. Since I don't have the funds for boost just yet, I was thinking of tightening the dampening of my rear suspension to induce some oversteer for a bit of fun driving.

I am truly a Toyota fan boy and am very familiar with Toyota's wiring and electronics systems and even adjusted my auto lights with Toyota Techstream because I felt they come on long after it's dark. While I was installing my Viper Remote start alarm, the car reminded me a lot about my 2003 TRD Celica GTS. Even the way the panels come off is identical. Plus, being an installer for 14 years, I loved working on Toyotas.

So, Toyota had a plan to release a fun car for under 30K that reminds me more of the 89-94 S13, Nissan 240SX (USA name) than anything else when driving it stock. But, as we are the enthusiast mod community, we want more power. So, you really have to consider what kind of build you're going for.

So, no hate on my part. I just prefer for car manufactures to not make their cars look aftermarket. Same as I said of the BRZ.

[one2onejackpot]

As to my comment about the new design having so many 86 logos, There's one on each headlamp, one badge on each front fender, the rear badge, one on the steering wheel, one on the dashboard above the glove box, one on the Driver's carpet floor mat, probably one on the passenger's floor mat, (who knows about the rear floor matts,) one on the optional carpet trunk mat and optional rear bumper appliqué. So, at least 10 confirmed.

Originally Posted by Phijkchu

Tthe convertible not meeting their standards of rigidity and safety is why it hasn't been produced yet.

Remember the good old days of the 90s when Toyota used to have a shop in California chop the top into a convertible and special order it for anyone in the country? Talk about non-ridgity and safety issues. I totally agree with you. I love the look of the concept, but would never buy one. I would go for a Targa top, but if it wasn't designed OEM, our cars would fold in half if they ever got hit.

Remember the Chewbacca, I do.

[Phijkchu]

Originally Posted by one2onejackpot

Remember the good old days of the 90s when Toyota used to have a shop in California chop the top into a convertible and special order it for anyone in the country? Talk about non-ridgity and safety issues. I totally agree with you. I love the look of the concept, but would never buy one. I would go for a Targa top, but if it wasn't designed OEM, our cars would fold in half if they ever got hit.

Remember the Chewbacca, I do.

I wasn't born yet so no.