2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Vassp

Yeah but people perceive it differently with a Toyota badge.

It feels like a much nicer car, all while still being "because racecar" at heart.

Toyota has made it a bit better car (except for the front and stupid LED lights) in a reasonable bid to attract more buyers and people bitch.

Edit: I think I said this before. A person buying an FR-S would not bitch about ride quality or noise levels, that's all part of the "experience". A person wandering the Toyota lot would come back from an unchanged 86 test drive and say "great fun, but way to rough and noisy. And what's up with that fake CF, that's stupid looking."

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

It feels like a much nicer car, all while still being "because racecar" at heart.

Toyota has made it a bit better car (except for the front and stupid LED lights) in a reasonable bid to attract more buyers and people bitch.

I have to say I'm not a fan of the front but I haven't seen it in person yet.
Attract more buyers is what is needed or else it's a dead platform, people need to understand this.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Vassp

I have to say I'm not a fan of the front but I haven't seen it in person yet.
Attract more buyers is what is needed or else it's a dead platform, people need to understand this.

I don't like it either, but it is not nearly so bad in person. Tada mentioned in the interview posted here that it does serve some aero purposes, and people hang much uglier crap on their cars, so who knows.

[Vassp]

Brz didn't follow similar aero, interesting if there is any noticeable difference between the two updates in handling.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Vassp

Brz didn't follow similar aero, interesting if there is any noticeable difference between the two updates in handling.

RIP Subaru. No longer so superior it would seem have fun crying in the paddock plebs.

Jk I'm guessing that extra 2lbs of down force isn't going to be noticeable by anyone who doesn't get paid for lap times

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Vassp

Brz didn't follow similar aero, interesting if there is any noticeable difference between the two updates in handling.

Yeah, it's is odd. I would have expected the BRZ to get all toothy and the 86 be boring, so maybe that's why they changed, because boring!

[Taka]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Edit: I think I said this before. A person buying an FR-S would not bitch about ride quality or noise levels, that's all part of the "experience". A person wandering the Toyota lot would come back from an unchanged 86 test drive and say "great fun, but way to rough and noisy. And what's up with that fake CF, that's stupid looking."

I'd take that fake carbon fiber over that ugly suede any day!

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Taka

I'd take that fake carbon fiber over that ugly suede any day!

+1. Alcantara is over done and usually ugly. Leave it in the VIP cars, not a sports car

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

+1. Alcantara is over done and usually ugly. Leave it in the VIP cars, not a sports car

Fake carbon fiber is even more overdone.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Fake carbon fiber is even more overdone.

Then shell out for real carbon fiber.

[Zaku]

There's actually a whole story behind this but alas I am not at liberty to talk about such things in detail.

But let me give some insight to why the two fronts are different BRZ and 86

Let's just talk in general then Both cars are still very comparable,

But data for the cars for the two companies come from different research.

The 86 took most of its data from its 24 Hr car(Gazoo racing)this is where they learned about the aero Research is shared between the two companies, but Subaru decided to take most of its data from its GT300 car. Because of these two results the cars came out with different faces and because it's just a facelift probably not so much in changes of aerodynamics in general this is a minimal difference as someone said unless you're paid for laps you won't notice it too much.

There's also a change in Toyota designer, the original 86/FRS was penned by an older Designer. The current 86 is done by the same team that does Lexus a bunch of younger designers who was directed to make the car in line with the rest of the line up ( the whole Toyota look fishy thing) meanwhile at Subaru, they had the same design team and made minimal changes, they were also told to make it in line with the rest of the 2017 lineup, the new Impreza has a similar front for example.


So unless you own a wind tunnel, the feel and the numbers between the two is likely minimal

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Fake carbon fiber is even more overdone.

Animal skin(leather) is also overdone and I see many still buying cars with it even though it does a lot of harm to animals and the environment.

It's why I stopped buying "luxury" cars.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Animal skin(leather) is also overdone and I see many still buying cars with it even though it does a lot of harm to animals and the environment.

It's why I stopped buying "luxury" cars.

I believe the dash trim Toyota Grand lux material isn't even real, it's synthetic, honestly besides the steering wheel most of the leather look alike on the car is fake. It's a car that cost less than 30k it's definitely not real even 50 k Lexus stuff isn't always real.

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Then shell out for real carbon fiber.

Which cost just about or more as the Alcantara

Which remind me in a very funny way, people arguing about the trim piece and

Then there's the early BRZ people with the silver plastic

Now that I think we can all agree was terrible, even the patterned 13 FRS piece was nicer imho.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Then shell out for real carbon fiber.

Carbon fiber solely for looks is tacky IMO, even if it's real. I could save more weight taking a dump.

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Animal skin(leather) is also overdone and I see many still buying cars with it even though it does a lot of harm to animals and the environment.

It's why I stopped buying "luxury" cars.

I'm not going to stop eating steak anytime soon. Might as well make sure that the cow's skin isn't going to waste. I love my leather/alcantara seats.