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You would obviously freak if you knew the stuff that I rode in as a kid! Half of the vehicles had no doors and a bit of still existing floor was a total luxury. Was in more danger from the CO pouring in than from any drunk drivers. My Dad's complete idea of safety was to yell "hang on" whenever we turned fast.
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My father was a great believer in seat belts. If the car didn't come with them he put some in. Might have had something to do with the open cockpit air plane he built in the thirties. hehe You might be surprised at how long some safety features have been around. For example, my father’s 1934 La Salle (pictured) had shock absorbing bumpers and push button start. Speaking of riding out in the open, there is nothing like riding in a rumble seat. (Yes, I speak from experience.) |
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Then again This is the biggest enthusiast community for this car in the world and we all know enthusiast like you and I are the biggest complainers ever. Even if they made it look good we'll find something else to complain about, that and most of us already own the old model, and it's not like we are gonna trade up. Lol I'm only partially joking part of this post. Also do you think Toyota will leave money on the table, they paid to have the car made. They'll do everything to monopolize just like the last model. I do enjoy discussing everything with everyone though, so let's wait and see what happens !
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Obviously if GT86 sales should fall off relative to the BRZ there is no way of knowing for certain that its revised appearance was the main driver of this, short of conducting a lot of market research. But it's widely acknowledged that sports car buyers are heavily influenced by appearance considerations, and if a lot of folks find the look of the updated GT86 makes them squirm a bit, it's very likely to impact sales - the other improvements in the refresh are not going to be nearly as salient to the typical twins shopper (as opposed to the real enthusiast). How many buyers are going to be more heavily swayed by the slightly better shocks, a bit more chassis bracing, a lower final drive ratio, or a retuned intake and revised engine internals giving a whopping 5 hp more? Hardly any, I'd bet.
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I hope the BRZ skyrockets in sales... hopefully that translates to better discounts on the 86
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08-24-2016, 07:40 PM | #2486 | |
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I do know a couple that wrapped a car around a tree once they got to driving age, but nothing changed about that over the years.
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For a good example in Thailand it's very uncommon to buy a Subaru because their network doesn't exist at all. Most of our Thai meme bed here have 86. And I'm sure this is the case for a lot of countries. I think for Australia and England it's prolly closer to us at the uS they have access to the BRZ. For NA yeah the looks and the fact that there's only one trim will prolly see a decline in numbers and more BRZ interest. But I don't think it's such a huge shift from just a it's front bumper is not nice. again that's super subjective, I've met people who just said no to BRZ new front too. It's gonna be fun to see those market data like you say!
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The shoppers that are not going to be swayed by the other improvement are also the shoppers that may just like that new front end. Toyota sells a shit load of other cars with the same basic design so I don't think it is going to put many casual buyers off. All in all just because some of think that front end looks like crap we can not say that the most or even many others will agree with us The 17 model year will be a tough one to judge sales on anyway since it is still monospec and sort of a bastard transitional thing. The real truth in judging sales will be when they bring in more trim levels and start to attract the "Oh look at all the toys" crowd. the 17 doesn't really lean toward the enthusiast nor the casual buyer so it may just sort of hover there.
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Not sure if they show the disturbing pictures of high speed crashes to today's high school students anymore from the 50's and 70's? Probably the inner demon in me, but I only put on a seatbelt if I know I am going over 50km/hr or the cars around me are as well. Strangely enough, sometimes see local police officers not wearing one, while cruising around. Were the recent collisions resulting in the death of police officers in our province related to lack of seat-belt use? Most of the alpha ones appear to have good driving senses from what I see. Never been in a vehicle with airbags deployed, but personally don't trust those things so I drive as defensively as possible. It might take another year for me to build trust for these things. |
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Edit: And that's only if you hit something stationary. If you're talking head on at those speeds, that's obviously 100km/h delta-v, or a fall from about 43 meters. |
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The side curtain airbag explosion actually seemed to have added some to the injuries to the woman in the passenger seat- but likely prevented worse. Too many dynamics to know for sure. |
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Ok, I will put on my seatbelt on now. I just pray, god forbid, if my airbags deploy, it doesn't ruin my beautiful face. |
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