Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[OldSkoolToys]

Fwiw, the Mk3 was a true to the bones GT car. The mk4 was classified as a sports car, and actually shed some weight over the mk3 in the U.S. market.

If you were to ask me, I'd say if Toyota wants to make another "Supra", then it has to embody what the Supra really was: amazing performance and reliability at the lowest price possible. That's it.

In the early 80's the Supra was known as the affordable Porsche. I'd just stick with that idea if I were an engineer for Toyota and run with it.

So, ~450-500hp, 3300-3500lbs, 20-30 MPG combined, and lots of the newest technical doo-dads that make it to higher end sports and supercars. Price it between $50,000 - $65,000 (Depending on trims and options) and then you have another winner. The original Supras were brought to America and showed Americans you can have your cake and eat it too when it came its market segment.

That would just do it all over again.

[FX86]

this car will be in the same price range as the new honda nsx ...not affordable for most folks

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Fwiw, the Mk3 was a true to the bones GT car. The mk4 was classified as a sports car, and actually shed some weight over the mk3 in the U.S. market.

If you were to ask me, I'd say if Toyota wants to make another "Supra", then it has to embody what the Supra really was: amazing performance and reliability at the lowest price possible. That's it.

In the early 80's the Supra was known as the affordable Porsche. I'd just stick with that idea if I were an engineer for Toyota and run with it.

So, ~450-500hp, 3300-3500lbs, 20-30 MPG combined, and lots of the newest technical doo-dads that make it to higher end sports and supercars. Price it between $50,000 - $65,000 (Depending on trims and options) and then you have another winner. The original Supras were brought to America and showed Americans you can have your cake and eat it too when it came its market segment.

That would just do it all over again.

All of this. That's what I'm expecting and want the car to be, this would be perfect. A+

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I just would not and have never considered that the Supra would be anything but a Toyota rival to the corvette, but a bit softer overall. So, similar or higher weight and similar performance, but possibly more enjoyable over a long drive.

Sounds like you want a Camaro.

I don't see why people are keen to have Toyota make something similar or worse than the Corvette. The g'dam thing is not God. They can and should do better. Maybe something that can actually complete a hot lap without overheating.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

In the early 80's the Supra was known as the affordable Porsche. I'd just stick with that idea if I were an engineer for Toyota and run with it.

I'm down with this! The 86 is already like the affordable Cayman. I even have friends who bought it over the Cayman cuz it was too detached and isolated by comparison. The Supra being a bargain 911 would be spot on. I'd imagine a competitive range from base 911 (lighter weight RWD) to Turbo S (supercap hybrid AWD).

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Sounds like you want a Camaro.

I don't see why people are keen to have Toyota make something similar or worse than the Corvette. The g'dam thing is not God. They can and should do better. Maybe something that can actually complete a hot lap without overheating.

Already had one. I want an updated version of the last supra TT. Which is exactly what I described....


There are plenty of Corvettes that hot lap without overheating as well, lol.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

There are plenty of Corvettes that hot lap without overheating as well, lol.

Yeah, Google is full of them...

https://www.bing.com/search?pc=cosp&...%20overheating

On that note, let's hope the next Supra has its cooling and oiling sorted well enough for potential track duty.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Yeah, Google is full of them...

https://www.bing.com/search?pc=cosp&...%20overheating

On that note, let's hope the next Supra has its cooling and oiling sorted well enough for potential track duty.

Maybe go on corvetteforum.com and learn something. You can google the twins and find all sorts of failures as well.

[nikitopo]

I am not sure why you are still talking about concept cars. It was communicated that the production of the BMW Z4 ends this month. Normally, the production of the new model should start in a few months and be ready for year 2017. Do you think there is a special agreement between BWM and Toyota and Toyota will have to wait one more year till 2018 or even 2019?

And by the way, the new Supra will be in reality a Toyota as much as the GT86 is a Toyota. Expect the new Toyota logo to say now BMW, instead of saying Subaru:

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Maybe go on corvetteforum.com and learn something. You can google the twins and find all sorts of failures as well.

Maybe you can learn to stay on topic instead of talking about corvettes, GTRs and the 86. Maybe take a break from corvetteforum and learn about modern engines too rather than praying at the alter of OHVs and pushrods. There's more to the universe than the Corvette. Even GM is finally moving on after that thumping by the Ford GT. You should too.

The twins don't cost $100k either. Did you buy four of them?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

And by the way, the new Supra will be in reality a Toyota as much as the GT86 is a Toyota. Expect the new Toyota logo to say now BMW, instead of saying Subaru:

That's okay, I prefer debadged.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71898

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by abraxis

I was hoping for an inline 6, but if it's as bad as this article below says, maybe the decision to dump BMW power and go in-house for a clean sheet V6 makes sense for Toyota. I only hope a new twin turbo V6 gets V mounted turbos like the latest Merc power plants to clean up the lag.

http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-en...hit-1784684330

They should just re-engineer the 2JZ and make it the basis for all their 4 bangers in the future.

I don't think they are working on their own engine. They didn't do it some years ago with the twins and I don't think they will do it now. Unfortunately, cost and profit is more important than anything else nowadays. We live in crazy times!

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by abraxis

That's okay, I prefer debadged.

It's not about what you prefer. The badge for a brand should be the flag and the soul. If you are prepared to do this and give the manufacturing process to someone else, then it means that you are ready for everything!

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Maybe you can learn to stay on topic instead of talking about corvettes, GTRs and the 86. Maybe take a break from corvetteforum and learn about modern engines too rather than praying at the alter of OHVs and pushrods. There's more to the universe than the Corvette. Even GM is finally moving on after that thumping by the Ford GT. You should too.

The twins don't cost $100k either. Did you buy four of them?

Just wow. My example of the twins is because we are on this forum, they have issues. Every car has issues, even ones meant for the track. It is pretty clear that I am open minded when it comes to cars and don't neccessarily worship at any altar, lol.

Why bring a FGT in to it? That is a mid engined car that was never designed as a competitor to the corvette. By your logic, stay on topic and don't bring any other car in to conversation.