My Goals with this Forum!!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Yes Mr.Tcoat it is,..very much a FRS/BRZ/GT86, it drives and handles and has every attribute the car had stock, only more power and it shifts better......your examples are inane and over the top to make a point,.....Im surprised you didnt use a NASCAR Camry too....

LOL it would have been a good one although I do not feel my examples are that extreme. They are all cars that no longer have the engine or power train they came with.
I think you may be misunderstanding what I was trying to say (my fault if it wasn't clear) in the context of topic of this thread. I am not a purist nor a "keep the car as built because it is the bestest thing in the world 'cuz of the feels" fanboi. In fact my point in relation to this topic was the opposite really.


I was saying that there are many things the car does well but power and speed are not part of the equation so to compare them to a Camaro SS was not reasonable. They are two different vehicles built for two different reasons. What I was trying to get across was that in order to compete with the Pony Cars the Twins need to be made BETTER than they are stock in the power and speed categories. I was not stating nor intentionally implying that the changes you or others have made are destroying the car in any way shape or form. You are just making them different.


Many years ago I had a 64 Econoline shortbox van with a fully built 351 that pulled low 11s on the strip on a regular basis. Would it be a fair statement for me to claim that 1964 Econoline vans are faster than most sports cars? No, that would be a totally ludicrous statement.


My message was that an engine swapped, brake and suspension upgraded, big tired Twin can not be held up as evidence that our cars can complete with the likes of top level Camaros and Mustangs. Without major IMPROVEMENTS they can not even touch them.


Hope this makes my statements make more sense.

[humfrz]

Back-in-the-day humfrz is here ..........late as usual ......

Here we have two cars ....... we didn't call both of them a "Model T".

The first one was a Model T; the second one was a T Bucket.

[olsonpg]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or mod for looks, Facebook likes, to be different, to match the crowd, or bragging rights or any other imaginable reason that you may enjoy just do not mod for street racing!

The amount of wisdom and responsible advice in this thread is too damn high!

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Psilox

Let me be the voice of dissent here and say that OPs reasons are his own, and it's OK to want to be a badass at the stop light (as long as you're not doing anything reckless or irresponsible). If he wants to mod his car for massive WHP, I think that's just fine. Maybe it's the "wrong" base to do that with, but what if he just loves the looks and handling as a canvas? If he wants to dump money into a project car for acceleration and top speed, it's not my taste, but it's not my car, either.

The thing is, I never once said anything bad about modding for power in this thread. Even though I do believe there are better options out there for horsepower builds, that's a completely different post entirely and I won't stop anyone from modding their FR-S for horsepower, and for that matter, looks, etc.

Building an FR-S for more power and building an FR-S for the track aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of members here take their FI twins to the track, drag strip, etc.

As far as being a badass at the stoplight goes, if two people started acting like badasses at a stoplight, I'd see them as clowns. There's no need for OP to prove anything to anyone, especially some tool that thinks they're Vin Diesel on the street.

[FX86]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

There's no need for OP to prove anything to anyone, especially some tool that thinks they're Vin Diesel on the street.

JUST SAY

[Psilox]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

The thing is, I never once said anything bad about modding for power in this thread. Even though I do believe there are better options out there for horsepower builds, that's a completely different post entirely and I won't stop anyone from modding their FR-S for horsepower, and for that matter, looks, etc.

Building an FR-S for more power and building an FR-S for the track aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of members here take their FI twins to the track, drag strip, etc.

As far as being a badass at the stoplight goes, if two people started acting like badasses at a stoplight, I'd see them as clowns. There's no need for OP to prove anything to anyone, especially some tool that thinks they're Vin Diesel on the street.

Ahh, I see what you're saying. I was taking OP less literally when he was talking about smoking Cameros at stop lights--more that he wanted to feel like he could take one in a race. More psychological than actually doing anything irresponsible at a stop light. But yeah, I don't endorse starting a clown-fiesta at an intersection.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL it would have been a good one although I do not feel my examples are that extreme. They are all cars that no longer have the engine or power train they came with.
I think you may be misunderstanding what I was trying to say (my fault if it wasn't clear) in the context of topic of this thread. I am not a purist nor a "keep the car as built because it is the bestest thing in the world 'cuz of the feels" fanboi. In fact my point in relation to this topic was the opposite really.


I was saying that there are many things the car does well but power and speed are not part of the equation so to compare them to a Camaro SS was not reasonable. They are two different vehicles built for two different reasons. What I was trying to get across was that in order to compete with the Pony Cars the Twins need to be made BETTER than they are stock in the power and speed categories. I was not stating nor intentionally implying that the changes you or others have made are destroying the car in any way shape or form. You are just making them different.


Many years ago I had a 64 Econoline shortbox van with a fully built 351 that pulled low 11s on the strip on a regular basis. Would it be a fair statement for me to claim that 1964 Econoline vans are faster than most sports cars? No, that would be a totally ludicrous statement.


My message was that an engine swapped, brake and suspension upgraded, big tired Twin can not be held up as evidence that our cars can complete with the likes of top level Camaros and Mustangs. Without major IMPROVEMENTS they can not even touch them.


Hope this makes my statements make more sense.

What I have done is a modest upgrade as far as some swaps go to not over power the chasis for road course work and daily driving, although my car really leans more towards track car......I purposefully kept horsepower down for reliability and in order to not have to put ridiculously wide tires and a wide body kit, to keep the oem diff.etc etc....sticky 245 width tires work great at 350whp.....my car has virtually zero body mods except hood vents....the end goal was to make a car that is minimally effected by the transplant in order to retain in the car what made me a believer in it in the first place........i went the turbo route and was unhappy in the way it was done and the cars mannerisms with boost plus the dreaded heat soak of turbo on track,....its in my opinion the FA engined turbo I had changed the car in ways the stock linear powered NA V8 enhances.......there is nothing radical about my build, but i do believe when im done yes equal drivers it would easily turn lap times the same as a Mustang or Camaro.......which wasnt my end goal.....but im sure it will......I have ventured into the purists section,......guess I better quickly return to the swap section before the kids get riled.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

What I have done is a modest upgrade as far as some swaps go to not over power the chasis for road course work and daily driving, although my car really leans more towards track car......I purposefully kept horsepower down for reliability and in order to not have to put ridiculously wide tires and a wide body kit, to keep the oem diff.etc etc....sticky 245 width tires work great at 350whp.....my car has virtually zero body mods except hood vents....the end goal was to make a car that is minimally effected by the transplant in order to retain in the car what made me a believer in it in the first place........i went the turbo route and was unhappy in the way it was done and the cars mannerisms with boost plus the dreaded heat soak of turbo on track,....its in my opinion the FA engined turbo I had changed the car in ways the stock linear powered NA V8 enhances.......there is nothing radical about my build, but i do believe when im done yes equal drivers it would easily turn lap times the same as a Mustang or Camaro.......which wasnt my end goal.....but im sure it will......I have ventured into the purists section,......guess I better quickly return to the swap section before the kids get riled.

Removing the stock engine and installing a V8 IS a radical change in the car even if you kept the body stock. Maybe you don't see it as one and most certainly you can maintain the original feel of the car but it is not exactly still an FRS. You still seem to feel that I have insulted you some how and even with my explanation misunderstand (or just don't want to hear) what I am saying. I at least am not getting "riled" about your build and in fact totally support such things. All I am saying is that an FRS with a V8 in it is not representative of FRS performance and therefore is something different again. It is not a purist don't change anything statement, I don't think it is a hard concept to grasp and not sure why you continue to maintain your car is 100% FRS.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Removing the stock engine and installing a V8 IS a radical change in the car even if you kept the body stock. Maybe you don't see it as one and most certainly you can maintain the original feel of the car but it is not exactly still an FRS. You still seem to feel that I have insulted you some how and even with my explanation misunderstand (or just don't want to hear) what I am saying. I at least am not getting "riled" about your build and in fact totally support such things. All I am saying is that an FRS with a V8 in it is not representative of FRS performance and therefore is something different again. It is not a purist don't change anything statement, I don't think it is a hard concept to grasp and not sure why you continue to maintain your car is 100% FRS.

Not saying its 100% FRS literaly .....100% in that it retains all the positive qualities and loses none...my point was that everything is retained...but it does do what most believe this car is lacking (power)and in a way not effecting the cars attributes......thats what im getting from your inputs that its a change for the worse.....a frankenstien as you put it....I take issue with that......as I have owned all three.......stock.....turboed.......and now V8 converted.......as far as the riled comment that really wasnt directed at you but others......but one drive in my car and you would understand my point......with out that drive its a hard point to get across......and im not just saying mash the pedal.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Not saying its 100% FRS literaly .....100% in that it retains all the positive qualities and loses none...my point was that everything is retained...but it does do what most believe this car is lacking (power)and in a way not effecting the cars attributes......thats what im getting from your inputs that its a change for the worse.....a frankenstien as you put it....I take issue with that......as I have owned all three.......stock.....turboed.......and now V8 converted.......as far as the riled comment that really wasnt directed at you but others......but one drive in my car and you would understand my point......with out that drive its a hard point to get across......and im not just saying mash the pedal.

I fully understand your point since it is the exact same as what I was making. The "Frankenstein" was not meant to be derogative but descriptive. The creature was a bunch of parts taken and put together to make a new whole (which incidentally was BETTER than human if you read the book and not just watch the movies) and is that not the same as an engine/transmission/supporting mods swap is doing?
At no point in my other post did I say that was bad. I repeat that I was making a comparison in reference to creating a car that can beat a Camaro and that is exactly what you have done. I was in no way putting down swaps nor implying that engine swapped cars were inferior just that they are a whole different beast than stock. Please do not read everything as written in anger or contempt.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I fully understand your point since it is the exact same as what I was making. The "Frankenstein" was not meant to be derogative but descriptive. The creature was a bunch of parts taken and put together to make a new whole (which incidentally was BETTER than human if you read the book and not just watch the movies) and is that not the same as an engine/transmission/supporting mods swap is doing?
At no point in my other post did I say that was bad. I repeat that I was making a comparison in reference to creating a car that can beat a Camaro and that is exactly what you have done. I was in no way putting down swaps nor implying that engine swapped cars were inferior just that they are a whole different beast than stock. Please do not read everything as written in anger or contempt.

Fully understand......think we both misunderstood.....i wasnt reading you as contemptuous at all,......i was just pointing out a fool with enough money actually can make it happen.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

i was just pointing out a fool with enough money actually can make it happen.

Oh no doubt!
And then the other guys up the ante and adds more power then, the other guy adds more, then the other, and so on until they run out of money or somebody discovers warp speed.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh no doubt!
And then the other guys up the ante and adds more power then, the other guy adds more, then the other, and so on until they run out of money or somebody discovers warp speed.

That's not warp speed *ahem* *cough*

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

That's not warp speed *ahem* *cough*

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I was wondering exactly who would call that one! Must admit that you were not even on my short list of guesses.

To make you feel better