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[alxtheoreo]

Duuuude. How bout that finish?! 😅

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[PMPB]

Me thinks, Nico going to get bitch slapped by the Stewards. Toto is doing damage control saying his brakes weren't working.... sure..... you don't slow down like that will a brake by wire failure. He didn't even try for that apex.

[PMPB]

QUESTION: With all the electric motors these days, why can't F1 cars start themselves. Assume the engine is already hot and the driver stalled.

[rice_classic]

I've done that same move (that nico did), in competition on several occasions to maintain position and I've had it done to me. The driver on the outside (Lewis) doesn't have a 'right' to turn in just because he's approaching track limits, if the car next to him isn't turning in. He is obligated to take the course of action that doesn't result in contact (aka: brakes). Driver on the inside can turn in when he damn well pleases.

It isn't illegal, it is a valid defensive strategy, albeit very aggressive and ungentlemanly (aka: a d-ick-move).

If Lewis' action resulted in his car being damaged or tire-cut then he would feel very differently about the event. When setting up for a pass on the outside, if the inside driver is going to sacrifice the corner with this type of defensive maneuver, the outside driver can easily apply a bit more brake and beat him out of the corner via an over/under and pass safely on the straight run to the next corner.

The problem is that in F1, things just happen so damn fast so we have what I consider a "racing incident" caused by two alphas, neither of whic is willing to submit. I bet Lewis was expecting to go "two-wide" and then use the outside paved area to maintain momentum and Nico was thinking about how Lewis pushed him wide on T1 at Canada. Nico allowed Lewis to assert and establish his 'dominance' for two seasons and I think he's over it.

My prediction: Nico gives 2 schlitz about the outcome at this point. He's played 2nd fiddle for 2 years, he's leading in the championship and he will make contact with Lewis as many times as it takes to keep Lewis from establishing dominance. As many times as it takes. This is what I'm hoping because it would make the rest of the season very exciting.

[rice_classic]

Formula 1 has penalized him 2 points on his license and 10 seconds on his race time (which didn't affect position). I agree with the penalty. I just watched the in-car over and over and there's 2 things make this a bit more of an infraction than just an overly-aggressive move. I was looking at it from my perspective in the racing I do in which we have LOTS more visibility of what's around us.

A: Hamilton is half a car ahead of Rosberg and was already on a very wide line with an overly "outside" trajectory. Looked rather respectful honestly.

B: Because of being on a very wide and late line and being half-a-car ahead he is right to expect to turn in and with their limited visibility, Rosberg should have absolutely known he would have. Because of that it appears like more of "punt" to me. I think if Hamilton did know that Rosberg was still at his door he wouldn't have risked the contact and instead just drove out of bounds and made the pass easily, which would have been legal (I think) because he could claim he was forced off.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by PMPB

Me thinks, Nico going to get bitch slapped by the Stewards. Toto is doing damage control saying his brakes weren't working.... sure..... you don't slow down like that will a brake by wire failure. He didn't even try for that apex.

Have you never felt brake fade before? I'm not saying it wasn't an intentional block by Nico, but I am surprised how wide he missed that corner by, I figured he would have wanted to stay a car width off the ideal line to keep his tires moderately clean. He was way out in the junk through that corner

Just because they're super awesome carbon fiber brakes doesn't mean they won't overheat (otherwise they'd save a lot of effort by putting less sophisticated ducting on them).

The same thing happened in NASCAR last weekend at Sonoma, Denny Hamlin used up his brakes getting around Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon called it from the commentator box two corners before it happened:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WV2cpkS4"]Tony Stewart Wins in Last Lap Battle with Denny Hamlin - Sonoma - 2016 NASCAR Sprint Cup - YouTube[/ame]

Originally Posted by PMPB

QUESTION: With all the electric motors these days, why can't F1 cars start themselves. Assume the engine is already hot and the driver stalled.

Because a starter motor adds weight and takes up space, traditionally if the car had stalled too much time was lost to make a good position. Nowadays I'd think they could work it into the hybrid system to restart the car, seems like it'd be a freebie, wouldn't cost very much and would keep more cars on the circuit longer, better spectacle, more fans. It's just a rule at this point.

Originally Posted by rice_classic

It isn't illegal, it is a valid defensive strategy, albeit very aggressive and ungentlemanly (aka: a d-ick-move).

All of this, spot on. I'm with you, it's cool to see Nico fight for it. They've been banging cars together for about 2 decades at this point, the interesting thing will be to see what Mercedes does, as a manufacturer this shit is unacceptable and it obviously isn't going to go away unless they give one guy the shaft and screw up his car on purpose to keep them seperate. Edit: Seeing the penalty doesn't change it, it's the right thing to do for all parties, a slap on the wrist for Nico and he paid the price by loosing the position.

warning, bullshit ahead.

I haven't been following rigorously but it looks like Nico hasn't negotiated a '17 deal with Merc while Hamilton is on contract through 2018. Shame, I get the feeling he's a better team player and Merc would prefer to keep him over Lewis, but maybe Lewis brings enough money to the table to make it worth it, maybe the data shows he really is a more capable driver idk.

Given Kimi's good form the only way a top tier seat opens up is if Raikkonen, Button, or Alonso retire, I don't see Ferrari, McLaren, or Red Bull booting a driver for Rosberg. (I think Red Bull has put a lot of effort into their driver development program and they manage to retain their drivers at a much lower cost than the other three, why pay 1.5x-3x as much for a guy who's only marginally quicker when they could hire dozens of top tier engineers in his place?). Maybe Hamilton could sway someone to boot their driver but my money says he'll stick with Mercedes dominance at least through his contract. So either Mercedes will keep both for another year or two or Rosberg ends up at a mid-tier team and pontificates about 'proving himself' and 'building a team', might work out for him in Williams or hell a big gamble with Haas sitting next to Grosjean could be history changing if the winds blow that way. Gene Haas isn't in it for the money, he's in it to run up front, I bet he'd boot the Mexican Telco sponsorship to have a WDC contender in the seat in a heartbeat, selfishly I like this, see how Grosjean measures up after a few full seasons in the seat. Merc probably has their pick of the litter for drivers who would be happy to play second fiddle with the opportunity to give the #1 something to sweat about: Grosjean, Bottas, Kvyat, Hulk, Magnussen, even Perez is viable, and I doubt Ricciardo would snub a meeting...

[Freude am Fahren]

Nico admitted that it was an intentional move, not just the brake failure.

[mdm]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

A: Hamilton is half a car ahead of Rosberg and was already on a very wide line with an overly "outside" trajectory. Looked rather respectful honestly.

B: Because of being on a very wide and late line and being half-a-car ahead he is right to expect to turn in and with their limited visibility, Rosberg should have absolutely known he would have.

That's what Hamilton basically said: he was ahead, Roseberg's car was in his blind spot, so he left him plenty of space by turning in reasonably late and was surprised feeling a hit from Rosberg.

[PMPB]

Originally Posted by Freude am Fahren

Nico admitted that it was an intentional move, not just the brake failure.

In his original post race interview (before the stewards meeting), he said he was having brake trouble. Hamilton admitted that Rosberg likely had a steering full of brake warning lights, and Wolff doing damage control said it was a brake-by-wire failure. IIRC, Sahara had a brake failure, see Perez for what that looks like...

Anyways, Nico probably got off pretty easy given his aggressive driving, but I feel like the tumble from 1st to 4th was damaging enough.

[Martinius]

What a race. Especially the last bit with the Muppets crashing into each other. Muppet of the race has to go to Mercedes' strategy team, if they actually pitted Hamilton when it was time, they would have taken away any chance of their drivers hitting each other, which seems to me they take any chance they can get to do that, and would have had an easy 1-2.
Great drive by Button though, he was on it the whole race.

P.S. is it in Alonso's contract that he's not allowed to finish a race or what?

[gtpvette]

Rosberg reminds me of Danica Patrick when he does stuff like this. She normally takes herself out when trying to retaliate for some infraction. I'm betting Hamilton will get the championship.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by gtpvette

Rosberg reminds me of Danica Patrick when he does stuff like this. She normally takes herself out when trying to retaliate for some infraction. I'm betting Hamilton will get the championship.

Rosberg goes prima donna a few times a season.

Hamilton has spent whole seasons as the reigning drama queen.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I"]Lewis Hamilton: "Because I'm black" - YouTube[/ame]

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by gtpvette

Rosberg reminds me of Danica Patrick when he does stuff like this. She normally takes herself out when trying to retaliate for some infraction. I'm betting Hamilton will get the championship.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ha...-lauda-795726/

[gtpvette]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ha...-lauda-795726/

And the plot thickens......


http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/la...d-room-796051/