2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I doubt it, the EL has a distinctive sound apart from the typical boxer sound. One of the many reasons I bought this car. You never know though.

The main reason for UEL would be to smooth out the torque dip, easiest solution.

[tomfuel]

idk if this was already posted but pretty nice video with some interior shots

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPcJ22EVoM"]Découverte Toyota GT86 restylée - YouTube[/ame]

[nikitopo]

We were told that the red 86 is actually a new car and not an old car with swapped parts. It looks that the torque dip is still there:

[krayzie]

Now only if the rest of the gauges are white backlit like the LCD.

Must be too much money to change the rest of the cockpit backlit to matching white (i.e. HVAC, clock, door buttons).

[funwheeldrive]

I love the interior on the higher trim 86. The door arm rests remind me of the ones from the BRZ tS. The seats look really nice too.

[nikitopo]

I think this was overlooked. There is a discussion with Tetsuya Tada about the future directions and the recent changes. Check here:

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/blo...the-toyota-86/


Regarding the changes:

First point in the list is the rigidity changes which go together with the suspension changes. This is pretty much similar of what they did in the 2015 revision (rigidity changes + revised suspension dampening).

The engine changes are mentioned a bit down in the list (third or forth). I think it is more clear now that the engine changes will be more of a tweak, than an actual engine revision. It is what we know already from Subaru with similar tweaks in the other engines. However, if we combine the engine tweaks with the revised final drive ratio, then we have an actual improvement and a positive feeling.

There is an explanation about the new "track mode". Some of us assumed incorrectly that it will be a more aggressive version of the Sport mode because of the much higher handling limits. The real explanation is that it is just a smoother and improved version of the Sport mode. The current Sport mode is effective, but compared to other sportscars is somewhat abrupt in its operation…nothing, nothing then on. For example, there is no difference in laptimes with VSC Sport engaged or VSC entirely off as by the time VSC Sport kicks in you’re sufficiently sideways to be slow anyway, at least on a fast track. So, they fix this.

Finally, an interesting point about the long debate of more power and having a turbo. He said "the package cannot accept a turbo", explaining there would be "too much power". This is one of the best points, not explained very often in the past. Reason is that the platform has a relatively short axle track. It is the same used in most of the Subaru's. If you have an AWD platform, then you don't have any issue getting even 300hp. But if you have a much lighter car and you send all the power on the back, then you have issues with safety especially on slippery conditions (bad quality road pavement, rain, snow).

[weederr33]

We don't need a turbocharged variation with 350 hp like all of the nonbelievers chant on about in every single article about the car. Truthfully, a turbocharger would do wonders, but were it's only 240 hp WITH the turbo.

**just my opinion, don't fret**

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I think this was overlooked. There is a discussion with Tetsuya Tada about the future directions and the recent changes. Check here:

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/blo...the-toyota-86/


Regarding the changes:

First point in the list is the rigidity changes which go together with the suspension changes. This is pretty much similar of what they did in the 2015 revision (rigidity changes + revised suspension dampening).

The engine changes are mentioned a bit down in the list (third or forth). I think it is more clear now that the engine changes will be more of a tweak, than an actual engine revision. It is what we know already from Subaru with similar tweaks in the other engines. However, if we combine the engine tweaks with the revised final drive ratio, then we have an actual improvement and a positive feeling.

There is an explanation about the new "track mode". Some of us assumed incorrectly that it will be a more aggressive version of the Sport mode because of the much higher handling limits. The real explanation is that it is just a smoother and improved version of the Sport mode. The current Sport mode is effective, but compared to other sportscars is somewhat abrupt in its operation…nothing, nothing then on. For example, there is no difference in laptimes with VSC Sport engaged or VSC entirely off as by the time VSC Sport kicks in you’re sufficiently sideways to be slow anyway, at least on a fast track. So, they fix this.

Finally, an interesting point about the long debate of more power and having a turbo. He said "the package cannot accept a turbo", explaining there would be "too much power". This is one of the best points, not explained very often in the past. Reason is that the platform has a relatively short axle track. It is the same used in most of the Subaru's. If you have an AWD platform, then you don't have any issue getting even 300hp. But if you have a much lighter car and you send all the power on the back, then you have issues with safety especially on slippery conditions (bad quality road pavement, rain, snow).

Probably one of the most realistic posts I have ever read here.

[darthpnoy1984]

A slight displacement increase shouldn't hurt at all.


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[Mim]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

A slight displacement increase shouldn't hurt at all.

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I'm totally fine with the incremental changes over time. Its what Tada-san said would happen back in the start and, now that we have the hindsight of seeing these flowing through over the years, I think the platform is heading in a good direction.

The car doesn't need more power. I'd take weight reduction over more power and think the flow on effects of pulling weight out of the car would be more beneficial.

I recall reading back when Toyota were developing a revised suspension and larger wheel package that they also identified a solid 100 odd kg that could be pulled in a future generation. Tried digging round, but could not find it Orz

I'll throw in this article from back then as a consolation prize. Still an entertaining read and it would be interesting to see how much of Tada-san's prototype flowed onto the MY17's update http://www.caradvice.com.au/248424/toyota-86-review-2/

[Vassp]

It would be nice if it was 100kg lighter but to get any meaningful weight off an already weight reduced car would cost a lot. A slight increase in power and shorter final drive was possibly the cheaper option for them. Can't wait to see the reviews.

[FR-S Future Owner]

On the manual version of the car, additional performance comes from a gear ratio change and a torque increase to 156 lb.-ft, as well as a five-horsepower increase to 205 hp.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...nyias-2016.htm

1. Are the gear ratio changes in the MT, the diff, or both?
2. What changes were made to increase the HP & TQ?
Thanks!

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

The main reason for UEL would be to smooth out the torque dip, easiest solution.

Actually an EL header will provide better power than an UEL.

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Actually an EL header will provide better power than an UEL.

Everything I've seen shows that EL provides better peak power but UEL provides a better mid range.