Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Being able to stop fast is just as important as being able to go fast. They are two independent measures of performance unrelated to each other. My car is bone stock and I know it can do at least 137mph. I would love to have Brembos. I had Brembos in my WRX. There was a REAL HARD stop on I84W in Waterbury. Like 50mph traffic to 0. Don't know why. I stopped a foot behind a Toyota Camry. The pickup truck behind me hit me, he was paying attention his truck just couldn't stop as hard as I could. Then all 3 of us got nailed by some broad in an Altima at 50mph who wasn't paying attention and totalled my WRX even though she hit the truck behind me. So maybe my brakes were too good, haha, but at least I wasn't found at fault...

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By your own statements and theories that Camry must of had some hellabrakes on it then if it stopped so well in front of you without hitting the car in front of it but you only missed by a foot.

Oh wait...



I give up:

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

By your own statements and theories that Camry must of had some hellabrakes on it then if it stopped so well in front of you without hitting the car in front of it but you only missed by a foot.

Oh wait...



I give up:

Let's do the math. Brembos 25ft shorter distance from stock. I missed the Camry by a foot. So with stock brakes I would have hit the Camry with whatever speed I would have had carried into the last 24ft of stopping distance. Like I said, 2 car lengths is car lengths. The truck behind would have been happy to have 2 car lengths. Of course the dumb broad would still have hit him...

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Let's do the math. Brembos 25ft shorter distance from stock. I missed the Camry by a foot. So with stock brakes I would have hit the Camry with whatever speed I would have had carried into the last 24ft of stopping distance. Like I said, 2 car lengths is car lengths. The truck behind would have been happy to have 2 car lengths. Of course the dumb broad would still have hit him...

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Let's look at the logic. Camry on stock brakes (we have to assume) stopped without hitting the car in front of it. You with your big brakes only stopped a foot behind it. The math tells me that that is only a 1 foot "improvement" in braking power including your tires and big brakes.
For crying out loud the Brembo engineer is quoted directly saying there is no real difference in stopping distance yet you still carry on.

[humfrz]

YIKES! This debate is still going on ........

Well, after reading all the conversation ......... my conclusion is, that for non-track use, putting a BBK on any of my cars would be a waste of money ......


humfrz

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Let's look at the logic. Camry on stock brakes (we have to assume) stopped without hitting the car in front of it. You with your big brakes only stopped a foot behind it. The math tells me that that is only a 1 foot "improvement" in braking power including your tires and big brakes.
For crying out loud the Brembo engineer is quoted directly saying there is no real difference in stopping distance yet you still carry on.

The article says the test showed it was 25ft less than stock consistantly. OK sure that's not that much considering it takes 200ish feet to stop a car at that speed but it's still 10% and 10% was enough to make the difference in this case. Sure it was a Camry but you have to remember that when traffic bottles up on the highway each car behind the other is losing the reaction times of themselves and the drivers in front of them so it snow balls quickly. Luckily my Brembos were better than those stock Camry brakes because my stock brakes looked kind like those Camry brakes and I had no time to react! That 10% saved me an at fault part of what ended up being a 4 car pile up. Worth. Every. Penny.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

The article says the test showed it was 25ft less than stock consistantly. OK sure that's not that much considering it takes 200ish feet to stop a car at that speed but it's still 10% and 10% was enough to make the difference in this case. Sure it was a Camry but you have to remember that when traffic bottles up on the highway each car behind the other is losing the reaction times of themselves and the drivers in front of them so it snow balls quickly. Luckily my Brembos were better than those stock Camry brakes because my stock brakes looked kind like those Camry brakes and I had no time to react! That 10% saved me an at fault part of what ended up being a 4 car pile up. Worth. Every. Penny.

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You are still ignoring the fact that the Camry managed to stop in the same space you did. By your own logic you should have stopped at least 25 feet back from them.
You are also hooked on one number from one test speed. The other speeds from that test show different results.
You said it was a "50mph" stop so going by the closest to that speed the 40mph test showed a SHORTER stop on stock than Brembos. And a 3 foot SHORTER stop at 70mph.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are still ignoring the fact that the Camry managed to stop in the same space you did. By your own logic you should have stopped at least 25 feet back from them.
You are also hooked on one number from one test speed. The other speeds from that test show different results.
You said it was a "50mph" stop so going by the closest to that speed the 40mph test showed a SHORTER stop on stock than Brembos. And a 3 foot SHORTER stop at 70mph.

Except that's on a exponential scale so no its probably not closer to the 40mph. Thanks for posting a chart that shows the Brembos stop in less distance than the stock brakes though! Impossible!

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

YIKES! This debate is still going on ........

Well, after reading all the conversation ......... my conclusion is, that for non-track use, putting a BBK on any of my cars would be a waste of money ......


humfrz

Ya sorry. Can't let this one go. I have 3 engineers with 20 to 35 years each in brake system design sitting about 50 feet away that tell me I am correct.

I certainly feel that trumps one guy's empirical argument based on an accident he once had.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya sorry. Can't let this one go. I have 3 engineers with 20 to 35 years each in brake system design sitting about 50 feet away that tell me I am correct.

I certainly feel that trumps one guy's empirical argument based on an accident he once had.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are still ignoring the fact that the Camry managed to stop in the same space you did. By your own logic you should have stopped at least 25 feet back from them.
You are also hooked on one number from one test speed. The other speeds from that test show different results.
You said it was a "50mph" stop so going by the closest to that speed the 40mph test showed a SHORTER stop on stock than Brembos. And a 3 foot SHORTER stop at 70mph.

Hahahaha says the guy who POSTED A CHART saying the Brembos stop in less distance. Yet my argument was the empirical one... I'm not arguing I'm talking fact. YOU are arguing.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Except that's on a exponential scale so no its probably not closer to the 40mph. Thanks for posting a chart that shows the Brembos stop in less distance than the stock brakes though! Impossible!

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Dude that is the chart from the bloody article YOU linked!
You can not pick and chose what data you want to believe based on your opinion. If you wish to disregard the rest of the results then your 25 foot thing is also no good.

[Ashikabi]

We don't know how long it took the Camry to stop, maybe she started slowing down sooner

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Hahahaha says the guy who POSTED A CHART saying the Brembos stop in less distance. Yet my argument was the empirical one... I'm not arguing I'm talking fact. YOU are arguing.

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You have not provided one fact yet. You deny all other evidence that goes against your opinion even when you yourself use that same evidence to support your argument.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Dude that is the chart from the bloody article YOU linked!
You can not pick and chose what data you want to believe based on your opinion. If you wish to disregard the rest of the results then your 25 foot thing is also no good.

Well it's somewhere between 2ft and 25ft between the 40 and 70mph and I missed her by a foot so Brembos saved the day by some margin.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

We don't know how long it took the Camry to stop, maybe she started slowing down sooner

Then he should have to shouldn't he?