Is Scion's send off bad for FRS drivers?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Oh you poor thing. I couldn't have imagined a topic this stupid would hurt your feelings this badly.

oh deary me how can I ever go on? A man called me a hillbilie on the internet whatever shall I do? @KR-S 86... will you internet beat him up for me?

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

If cars don't resemble faces, you shouldn't be seeing a mustache at all.

Boom.

You've misinterpreted my post. I said that cars can have similar features to human faces, but they don't have to look exactly like one. You are taking this resemblance thing way too literally.

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Oh you poor thing. I couldn't have imagined a topic this stupid would hurt your feelings this badly.

You would be right. This is a pointless argument either way since everything discussed is subjective. Because of that, I'm going to bow out of this thread. However, allow me to point out that it was you who started this "stupid topic" to begin with.

[Ultramaroon]

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

You would be right. This is a pointless argument either way since everything discussed is subjective. Because of that, I'm going to bow out of this thread. However, allow me to point out that it was you who started this "stupid topic" to begin with.

And yet I seem to be the only person not really taking any of it seriously.

Man, hillbillies with hair on their teeth are touchy about their dental hygiene issues.

[johan]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by johan

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[guybo]

To the OP- Scion being shutdown won't matter at all. It won't amount to a pisshole in the snow. Toyota does now and will continue to service the FR-S. Don't think of this as Scion being shut down, think of it as a re-design (emblems and all). So as far we're concerned, the only prob we may have one day is finding parts for our 1st ed (or whatever it'll be called) 86 (AKA FR-S).

Don't worry, get the car.

[soulreapersteve]

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/

[krayzie]

No wonder badge engineering works so well in North America, people would actually think they are independent car companies.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Should I have a badge on my forehead?

Indeed, @KR-S 86 but only if you are a Jaffa Warrior...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

But we're not seeing the mustache grow from inside the mouth as you say.

Besides, if the front fascias of cars looked like faces, should my cheeks be black? Should I have a badge on my forehead?

Point being, cars can have similarities with facial features, but they don't exactly have to look like a face. That's just horrid.

Mustache, black cheeks AND a badge on the forehead!





Apparently the BRZ is the Charles Manson of cars.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Mattstermh

Thanks for the quick reply. Weighing the pros and cons of BRZ vs FR-S.. here in New England those heated seats would be nice but just too much out of my budget.

You can haggle and get the car down quite a bit. Paying MSRP for a car isn't the norm...

Originally Posted by mdm

Not sure about that, in my opinion (apologies in advance to anyone offended) a mustache is the opposite of sophistication, but I believe the opposite is true: the mustache gives the BRZ a less sophisticated air-o-dynamics, the coefficient of drag is marginally higher.

From what I remember, the FRS had a higher Cd but higher downforce on the front. They're both very sophisticated aerodynamics wise considering they have nearly the same drag as a Prius without looking like one.

Originally Posted by krayzie

BRZ Limited trim also comes with little amenities like door courtesy lights, vanity mirror lights, dual zone climate control, heated seats, alarm, rear trunk release button, HIDs, fog lights, etc. FRS limited editions at most will just give you HIDs, dual zone climate control, maybe heated seats but not the rest.

Body kit and rims are obviously much easier to retrofit than amenities. I didn't want another purposely decontent car like my old North American spec VW.

When I bought my BRZ, the top trim came out a bit cheaper than an optioned out FRS which still came with less equipment than the BRZ.

SO far as I know, the special edition FRS's came with all that stuff too, but you paid more than the BRZ at that point.

Originally Posted by techie182

BRZ and FRS limited editions are about 2-3k more than base. I went for base FRS and kinda regret my purchase. Only option I wanted was start button and not having to pull out my key every single time. All other options can be added for cheap.
For example, I added HID for only $20, rearview camera for $30, etc.
Subaru/Moostash is better car? I thought its same car. My FRS has Subaru marking all over the car.

Can't really compare a $20 HID kit to true OEM HID's, sorry. Ditto on the reverse cam (that wasn't standard on the BRZ either so kinda moot), as the cheap ones generally don't do low light well, and don't last as long.

Heuberger was selling Limited BRZ's for less than a base FRS at one point, so haggle haggle haggle.

Originally Posted by extrashaky

The bumper actually resembles a boxer's mouth guard, which I suspect was the intent (as a play on "boxer" engines) until a bunch of hillbillies who thought hair grew from teeth started calling it a mustache.

I see this too...but it's still a silly arguement.

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Poodles

From what I remember, the FRS had a higher Cd but higher downforce on the front. .

Engineering Explained said in his reviews that FRS has Cd=0.27, BRZ 0.28 except series blue which has 0.27. Of course these are minimal differences.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by mdm

Engineering Explained said in his reviews that FRS has Cd=0.27, BRZ 0.28 except series blue which has 0.27. Of course these are minimal differences.

Actually base FRS and BRZ Premium are Cd=0.29, add the stock wing takes it down to Cd=0.28 (BRZ Limited), and add the underbody panels with the stock wing will achieve Cd=0.27 (Series.Blue).

In Japan the Aero Package includes the underbody panels and rear wing.

IIRC a Prius at least the last gen was Cd=0.25. If they used the old Cayman as a baseline for the twins, they already matched the Cd with the base trim.