Toyota 86 Shooting Brake Concept revealed!

[hamlet]

Originally Posted by Cole

Awesome opinion my man! Can you tell us why it needs 50HP more from the factory? How is it lacking in daily driving that you can't accomplish everything you need to do? I just did a 30km highway jaunt today with my car today, and had no issues keeping up with or passing people. Drop a gear or two and you're gone. Or is it an ego thing? Is that why it needs the power?

A car isn't always about "need", especially a sports car. A prius keeps up and can pass people on the highway, too, but I don't want one. For a car that is marketed at the emotional aspect of driving, it is underpowered. Before I supercharged mine I was always frustrated when I accelerated, wanting more. There's no ego involved, as the joy of having that extra power has nothing to do with passing anyone else. Now my car is supercharged and it has 80hp more than what it had stock. It's PERFECT. I don't need any more power than it that. It's still not a "fast" car, as 280hp still will get beat at the drag strip by many cars, but I don't care. Most people don't have the time, money, or experience to know how to go down the aftermarket FI route, so the factory should solve the issue.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by hamlet

A car isn't always about "need", especially a sports car. A prius keeps up and can pass people on the highway, too, but I don't want one. For a car that is marketed at the emotional aspect of driving, it is underpowered. Before I supercharged mine I was always frustrated when I accelerated, wanting more. There's no ego involved, as the joy of having that extra power has nothing to do with passing anyone else. Now my car is supercharged and it has 80hp more than what it had stock. It's PERFECT. I don't need any more power than it that. It's still not a "fast" car, as 280hp still will get beat at the drag strip by many cars, but I don't care. Most people don't have the time, money, or experience to know how to go down the aftermarket FI route, so the factory should solve the issue.

I think you're confusing problems (issues) with Tada's/Toyobaru's design goals for the car.

Absolute power was set at 200 WHP/150TQ. That amount wasn't enough for you, me, some forum goers and some members of the auto press, but for thousands of other buyers who enjoy the car stock, it is not a problem at all. 0-60 in the 6 second range is totally fine for hooning around the street and breaking loose low-grip stock tires at sane speeds.

Being able to load up and loosen 200-300 TW tires with 250 WHP is a personal goal of some of us. Toyobaru determined this should be solved by the aftermarket. In our cases, it was. Plan worked. It sounds to me like the designers would prefer to "add lightness" than 50-80 more whp.

One off concepts like this shooting brake are usually made to see how the public reacts to them. We'll see how all that lands.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by hamlet

A car isn't always about "need", especially a sports car. A prius keeps up and can pass people on the highway, too, but I don't want one. For a car that is marketed at the emotional aspect of driving, it is underpowered. Before I supercharged mine I was always frustrated when I accelerated, wanting more. There's no ego involved, as the joy of having that extra power has nothing to do with passing anyone else. Now my car is supercharged and it has 80hp more than what it had stock. It's PERFECT. I don't need any more power than it that. It's still not a "fast" car, as 280hp still will get beat at the drag strip by many cars, but I don't care. Most people don't have the time, money, or experience to know how to go down the aftermarket FI route, so the factory should solve the issue.

Were your lap times suffering because of "only" 200hp? Funny that I have no issues with acceleration. Probably because that's not what this car is made for, but you know better than the engineers and designers of this car.

Did you want to go fast in a straight line? If so, there are multiple other cars better suited to this.

Another funny story, is that a friend of mine goes faster around a track in his near stock FRS (FP and tune, plus, it's an AT) than another local does in his turbo charged FRS. Maybe the problem/wants/needs with your car have less to do with the car and they lie with something else.

Edit: not to mention, with more power/turbo/supercharger from the factory, costs go up and then the target market can't afford the car. But, power was never what the twins were about. More about dat feel when you hit dat apex tho

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Cole

Were your lap times suffering because of "only" 200hp? Funny that I have no issues with acceleration. Probably because that's not what this car is made for, but you know better than the engineers and designers of this car.

Did you want to go fast in a straight line? If so, there are multiple other cars better suited to this.

Another funny story, is that a friend of mine goes faster around a track in his near stock FRS (FP and tune, plus, it's an AT) than another local does in his turbo charged FRS. Maybe the problem/wants/needs with your car have less to do with the car and they lie with something else.

Mustang GT $32k 400ft/lbs TQ... dollar for TQ is great. (Corners like a pig but eh you know who cares about speed exiting the turn)..

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[Cole]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Mustang GT $32k 400ft/lbs TQ... dollar for TQ is great. (Corners like a pig but eh you know who cares about speed exiting the turn)..

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It actually doesn't handle that poorly though. It's a whole lot more car, and only a bit of a sacrifice in handling versus the twins. The ecoboost is actually on my short list of next cars to consider once I'm out of my FRS.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Cole

It actually doesn't handle that poorly though. It's a whole lot more car, and only a bit of a sacrifice in handling versus the twins. The ecoboost is actually on my short list of next cars to consider once I'm out of my FRS.

I test drove one. The body roll was real. I was comfortable at about 2/3 the speed of the BRZ in the same exact turn. The TQ definitely put a smile on my face though. Great for drag racing.

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[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I think you're confusing problems (issues) with Tada's/Toyobaru's design goals for the car.

Absolute power was set at 200 WHP/150TQ. .

except it's not 200 WHP, it's 200 hp at the crank.....

[Cole]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I test drove one. The body roll was real. I was comfortable at about 2/3 the speed of the BRZ in the same exact turn. The TQ definitely put a smile on my face though. Great for drag racing.

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Kind of the point I'm making

It's not a bad option by any means. You just need to have realistic expectations. Haven't driven or been a passenger in an ecoboost yet, and I'm sure expecting it to handle better than the GT. Which is cool, I'm totally willing to sacrifice a bit of handling for more power, comfort and features.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

except it's not 200 WHP, it's 200 hp at the crank.....

Typo man, BHP, not WHP.

The internet

[hamlet]

Originally Posted by Cole

Were your lap times suffering because of "only" 200hp? Funny that I have no issues with acceleration. Probably because that's not what this car is made for, but you know better than the engineers and designers of this car.

Did you want to go fast in a straight line? If so, there are multiple other cars better suited to this.

Another funny story, is that a friend of mine goes faster around a track in his near stock FRS (FP and tune, plus, it's an AT) than another local does in his turbo charged FRS. Maybe the problem/wants/needs with your car have less to do with the car and they lie with something else.

Edit: not to mention, with more power/turbo/supercharger from the factory, costs go up and then the target market can't afford the car. But, power was never what the twins were about. More about dat feel when you hit dat apex tho

So you're trolling me. OK. Fine. Did I mention lap times? I'm glad you enjoy your 200hp version of the Fr-S. I like mine better with 280hp. Like I said, it isn't an ego thing and I don't mind being passed by other faster cars. I would argue that more of these cars would sell with a bit more power. Not to go faster on the track, but because it's more fun to drive that way (in my opinion).
for what it's worth, I never tracked it pre-SC so I have no basis for comparison but I doubt that I'm a good enough driver to make much of a difference in my lap time either way

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Being able to load up and loosen 200-300 TW tires with 250 WHP is a personal goal of some of us.

So my OEM car has 250whp because I can slide around on my 245 RE71Rs just as easily as I did on the stock Michelin's? Guess I got a secret TRD prototype that slipped out of the factory.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

So my OEM car has 250whp because I can slide around on my 245 RE71Rs just as easily as I did on the stock Michelin's? Guess I got a secret TRD prototype that slipped out of the factory.

[FR-S Future Owner]

ichitaka05,

When might we see a Shooting Brake version in the US? Thanks!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-S Future Owner

ichitaka05,

When might we see a Shooting Brake version in the US? Thanks!

My guess is between don't hold your breath and never.
Still just a concept even for those places that would be more likely to get it. I will give you good odds it never even sees production.