My stolen BRZ

[Ahsila]

Originally Posted by jasonojordan

Cops down by me unless someone was killed they could give a shit less about catching the person.

I've personally had to deal with the cops in the same division that his car was stolen from and they were less than helpful ..

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They may have it for a week for forensics? For a stolen car? Did they find a body in the trunk or something?
London police would not even bother to look inside much less run it for prints and do forensics. They would call and say your car is here come pick it up and that will be $120 for towing please".
Some kids took an unlocked and running car for a joyride and they are not going to pump resources into finding them. We are not talking about hunting down a crack team of international car thieves here.

The only reason I could think of, for why the cops would go through sooo much effort, is maybe it's a small town and nothing ever happens there. So they are bored and just trying to justify there presence and job

[krayzie]

So I seem to remember watching CP24 a while back about how people were getting their cars jacked by a bunch of kids knocking peeps down with tree branches (must be from some big ass tree), isn't that the same area where the BRZ was located? Maybe that explains the heighten effort by the cops there.

[jasonojordan]

Originally Posted by Ahsila

I've personally had to deal with the cops in the same division that his car was stolen from and they were less than helpful ..

Down by me they just have to much other stuff going on with the gangs lots of shootings of late down here.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Yes it was his actions that made someone take it.

I agree leaving a key in it facilitates theft. But saying take accountability for his actions? So leaving your car running in a public place means you are intending it to be stolen and should have no recourse? Okay then...

They did!
Would you walk into a deserted parking lot, look around and find the first crackhead you see, hand them your car keys and say "it is right over there"? Leaving it running and unattended is doing exactly that. The simple question is would it have been stolen if it had not been running? The answer is NO. You can not set yourself up for crime and then cry about being a victim. People need to take responsibility for their actions and not just blame others (again not supporting whoever took it) and in this case a simple push of a button would have prevented the whole thing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by brandonblt2

The only reason I could think of, for why the cops would go through sooo much effort, is maybe it's a small town and nothing ever happens there. So they are bored and just trying to justify there presence and job

It is a suburb of the largest city in Canada. The equivalent of leaving your car running in Chicago or Houston.

[ZionsWrath]

I will never agree with that. A criminal who acts on "opportunity" is still a criminal.

An alcoholic who blames availability is still an alcoholic.

I know both all too well.

It is not entrapment or anything like that. I don't like to speak in absolutes but in this you are wrong.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by krayzie

So I seem to remember watching CP24 a while back about how people were getting their cars jacked by a bunch of kids knocking peeps down with tree branches (must be from some big ass tree), isn't that the same area where the BRZ was located? Maybe that explains the heighten effort by the cops there.

Not exactly their MO in this case now is it? Some kids found a running car and drove away. End of story.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Yes it was his actions that made someone take it.

I agree leaving a key in it facilitates theft. But saying take accountability for his actions? So leaving your car running in a public place means you are intending it to be stolen and should have no recourse? Okay then...

Not saying you're intending for it to be stolen, but it certainly sets up a prime opportunity for someone to take the car.

If the car wasn't running, if the car was locked. Two big ifs that would have resulted in buddy's car not being stolen, and HE is the only one who could have done that. So yes, time to take responsibility for his actions and just admit he fucked up.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

I will never agree with that. A criminal who acts on "opportunity" is still a criminal.

An alcoholic who blames availability is still an alcoholic.

I know both all too well.

It is not entrapment or anything like that. I don't like to speak in absolutes but in this you are wrong.

I am not saying the people that took it are not criminals in any way. I am saying that if you make things easy then you increase the opportunity for things to happen. This is not a utopian world where you do not have to take precautions. This is like leaving the door to your house open with a big sign that says NOBODY HOME and then complaining because people took stuff. There is a level of precaution that needs to be taken and if you can not be bothered to take that precaution then shit that happens is your own fault. Again, this would not be a topic if he had simply shut his car off.
By your statement they may as well not bother even having keys for cars since if you don't use it and somebody takes it then it is their fault not yours.

[ZionsWrath]

I had my last house broken into through a basement window. If I had bars on that window it wouldn't have been broken into.

There are tons of precautions after the fact you can say "If ABC then XYZ wouldn't have happened"d

I'm not going to live in a shell and if that makes me deserving of being robbed than so be it. I disagree. We are mandated to have certain insurance policies in place I'm not going to waste more money with more precautions. If I didn't have such insurance on home or vehicle maybe I'd be more cautious. I am also a random average joe without anything specifically valuable.

When I attend track days I leave a pile of shit unattended. Should I poop my pants every session I'm out?

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All these things you say are promoting crime are acceptable tiny risks to me and many others. And in fact make insurance companies tons of money. In posts like the the OP they are accentuated because they are driving a high risk vehicle with high risk modifications. I wouldn't be leaving the keys in my track prepped Integra in Compton.

Assess your own risk, no blanket statement fits all.

EDIT: How about another example. Women at my work always be like "OMG you sit in your car on break?!?!?!"
I work nights. Really? Should I be super scared and not sit in my car on break? Tons of things like this bother me. Yea something can happen right? But am I gonna live in fear for a tiny fraction of a percent chance of harm?

Dang OP you got lucky.

I was just in that area yesterday too commenting how nice it was.

But everyone knows the gremlins come out late at night.

I too have done what you did once but I only left it alone for 15 seconds. If I ever saw someone walking into my car after leaving it running for 15 seconds unattended they better hope they A) Know how to drive stick or B) Have a weapon on them because if they're gonna try that shit on me they better make it count.

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am not saying the people that took it are not criminals in any way. I am saying that if you make things easy then you increase the opportunity for things to happen. This is not a utopian world where you do not have to take precautions. This is like leaving the door to your house open with a big sign that says NOBODY HOME and then complaining because people took stuff. There is a level of precaution that needs to be taken and if you can not be bothered to take that precaution then shit that happens is your own fault. Again, this would not be a topic if he had simply shut his car off.
By your statement they may as well not bother even having keys for cars since if you don't use it and somebody takes it then it is their fault not yours.

I agree completely. I believe in certain parts of California police have actually started to ticket people who leave their cars running. I think their reasoning is, that it creates burden on the public and them, because now they have to use their resources and tax payer money to find your car something that is easily avoidable if youre not negligent.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

I will never agree with that. A criminal who acts on "opportunity" is still a criminal.

An alcoholic who blames availability is still an alcoholic.

I know both all too well.

It is not entrapment or anything like that. I don't like to speak in absolutes but in this you are wrong.

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

I had my last house broken into through a basement window. If I had bars on that window it wouldn't have been broken into.

There are tons of precautions after the fact you can say "If ABC then XYZ wouldn't have happened"d

I'm not going to live in a shell and if that makes me deserving of being robbed than so be it. I disagree. We are mandated to have certain insurance policies in place I'm not going to waste more money with more precautions. If I didn't have such insurance on home or vehicle maybe I'd be more cautious. I am also a random average joe without anything specifically valuable.

When I attend track days I leave a pile of shit unattended. Should I poop my pants every session I'm out?

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All these things you say are promoting crime are acceptable tiny risks to me and many others. And in fact make insurance companies tons of money. In posts like the the OP they are accentuated because they are driving a high risk vehicle with high risk modifications. I wouldn't be leaving the keys in my track prepped Integra in Compton.

Assess your own risk, no blanket statement fits all.

You are taking the comparison to far with the basement window bars. The point I am trying to make is that you don't make it even easier and then complain. Breaking in through a window bars or not is not the same as walking though an open door. You will never stop thieves but you do not have to hand them your stuff on a silver platter either.
In what world is not turning off your car not a reasonable precaution and how does it cost you more money? If the OP felt that leaving the car running was a reasonable risk then he indeed understood there was risk and is not in a position to complain.


If you came back and all your stuff was gone you would be pissed even though you took the risk of leaving it out knowing perfectly well that somebody could take it.


Why should I and the vast majority of other people that are not too lazy/distracted/don't give a shit to stop and start a car when we leave it pay higher insurance rates because some think that is an OK risk?