Forced Induction or upgrade car?

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope disagree there. A muscle car needs to go very fast in a straight line. That is the very definition of what they are and the heritage they have. A GT car needs to compete in handling with the Europeans not a muscle car. The whole concept of a muscle car has been watered down since the mid 70s so that people forget (or never knew) what they were all about when the term was coined. Wshat they were was a big heavy unwieldy beast that could take those front wheels off the ground at launch.
If you called a Mustang or a Camaro a muscle car back in the 70s you would have been laughed at. They only seem to have become part of the genre in the last 20 years or so.

Well Ford disagrees with you, hence why it now has an IRS and the s550 is now global.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Well Ford disagrees with you, hence why it now has an IRS and the s550 is now global.

That does not make it a muscle car. They may cater to the modern definition but handling was never ever part of the historical equation.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope disagree there. A muscle car needs to go very fast in a straight line. That is the very definition of what they are and the heritage they have. A GT car needs to compete in handling with the Europeans not a muscle car. The whole concept of a muscle car has been watered down since the mid 70s so that people forget (or never knew) what they were all about when the term was coined. What they were was a big heavy unwieldy beast that could take those front wheels off the ground at launch.
If you called a Mustang or a Camaro a muscle car back in the 70s you would have been laughed at. They only seem to have become part of the genre in the last 20 years or so.

I'll join the @Tcoat 's camp .... (on this one ...).

Wiki says:

"Muscle car is an American term used to refer to a variety of high-performance automobiles.[1] The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines muscle cars as "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports coupes with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."[2] A large V8 engine is fitted in a 2-door, rear wheel drive, family-style mid-size or full-size car designed for four or more passengers. Sold at an affordable price, muscle cars are intended for street use and occasional drag racing.[3][4][5][6] They are distinct from two-seat sports cars and expensive 2+2 GTs intended for high-speed touring and road racing".

Now, back-in-the-day , this engine ruled (except when it got stung by a Hudson Hornet).

OK.......I'll crawl back in my hole ......



humfrz

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Don't know about the rest but I am simply using the "LOOK SHINY" method of diversion to end the bickering for a bit.

The same method Toyota used to sell more 86's!

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

The GT350 would like a word with you. IMHO a modern muscle car has to actually be able to handle and be on par with European competitors in something other than HP

Since when did muscle cars ever handle?

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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Since when did muscle cars ever handle?

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Not lately ........


humfrz

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

What makes my opinion bullshit and yours fact? We have an emotional bias towards things we like, much the same reason why when you tell someone a political stand that they would normally disagree with, then tell them it came from their favorite politician, they will mostly agree with it. Bias is bias. I think it's useless because it's not doing what I want it to do, you feel it's ok because it's doing exactly what you want it to do. Easy as that.

Seems like the only one trying to portray their opinion as fact is you. Car is mediocre in traffic? Your opinion. I have found mine to be quite easy to operate. Brake pedal is woeful? Seems fine to me.

We're okay with mediocrity? Whatever minor flaws this car has do not detract from the experience I have driving it. So nah, I don't see this car as being mediocre. Of course, that's just my opinion, and that's all it is. You act as if we should all see how mediocre the twins are and that we should feel awful for driving it.

Sorry, nope. I enjoy my car and already have an attachment to it. Guess that's a bad thing, huh?

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

We have had this conversation before, and as I said, I don't have the money for a 911 right now.

I find that funny.

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

If you don't feel any attachment to the car, it's best to let it go before you develop one.

You clearly do not have an attachment to your car and you have made it clear several times that you extremely dislike, if not outright hate your car, so what exactly is stopping you from trading in your FR-S for a Corolla as Tcoat suggested, and saving even more money towards that dream 911 of yours? For all the complaining you do, you don't really take much action.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Seems like the only one trying to portray their opinion as fact is you. Car is mediocre in traffic? Your opinion. I have found mine to be quite easy to operate. Brake pedal is woeful? Seems fine to me.

We're okay with mediocrity? Whatever minor flaws this car has do not detract from the experience I have driving it. So nah, I don't see this car as being mediocre. Of course, that's just my opinion, and that's all it is. You act as if we should all see how mediocre the twins are and that we should feel awful for driving it.

Sorry, nope. I enjoy my car and already have an attachment to it. Guess that's a bad thing, huh?



I find that funny.



You clearly do not have an attachment to your car and you have made it clear several times that you extremely dislike, if not outright hate your car, so what exactly is stopping you from trading in your FR-S for a Corolla as Tcoat suggested, and saving even more money towards that dream 911 of yours? For all the complaining you do, you don't really take much action.

He is like 20 years old is what is stopping him. Need the street cred a Porsche will give him. Can't be seen in a Corolla although strangely enough he has said he would rather be driving one. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=70
He is just bored with his car and you can actually watch the transformation if you go read his post history.
I support anybody that wants to change but this constant misrepresentation of opinion as fact is wearing thin fast.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

If the .22 was a car, this would be it.

Heavily in demand and hard to find almost everywhere? We can see why you are so upset, being that wrong so long has to take a toll.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by jackblack21

So going FI will cost me about 10 grand but I worry about reliability. I am flirting with using that money and trade in value to go to something with more HP instead.

If it were you would you go FI on your 86 or upgrade to a used care with more omph?

How about a simple header/tune combo along with a 4.55 final drive...should wake the car up without too much added risk or expense

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

How about a simple header/tune combo along with a 4.55 final drive...should wake the car up without too much added risk or expense

Brb..

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[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

He is like 20 years old is what is stopping him. Need the street cred a Porsche will give him. Can't be seen in a Corolla although strangely enough he has said he would rather be driving one. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=70
He is just bored with his car and you can actually watch the transformation if you go read his post history.
I support anybody that wants to change but this constant misrepresentation of opinion as fact is wearing thin fast.

Hey go away, I'm only 24 whatchu tryna say?

[Ultramaroon]

*sigh* Kids these days...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Hey go away, I'm only 24 whatchu tryna say?

LOL Are you planning on buying a 911 after bitching that the FRS cost way more than it should and is so expensive? I mention age because a $80 to !100K car is not usually an immediate goal for a twentysomthing. A dream, ambition, a wish yes but he is probably decades away and with his obvious lust for Corollas that is what he should be getting until ten. Was not applying the 20 year comment across the board just to him.