Gas station that are ethanol free

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by wolfer

When they started changing over to ethanol the old engines needed to have hardened valve seats so head work was required but later they found out rubber hoses were deteriorating and other corrosion. Not only corrosion it will eat plastic gas tanks in boats but I suppose you do not have to worry about plastic tanks in cars but lawn mowers and small engines will not last as long with ethanol. Ethanol is a solvent.

This is another urban legend about e10 and e85 in outboards plastic tanks were never an issue I guarantee you they aren't and won't run into problems on a boat, fiberglass tanks were an issue, in fact yamaha and honda both use steel or plastic tanks today. Ill informed mechanics seem to spread that myth like wild fire.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Teseo

I have gas stations with 93 oct (10% ethanol) at same price as shell v power 91 oct and is very tempting.
I dont care about mpg, but idk if this engine or others components related can be broke it using ethanol blend

Absolutely not an issue, use the 93

[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by wolfer

can you tell me why manufacturers of outboard motors like Yamaha and Honda discourage you from using ethanol and will void warranty if you use 15% ethanol? Maybe someone here knows why.

They don't. Older o/b engines it can cause issues with the fuel lines over time and can cause issues in the carb if fuel is left long enough. I run mine out of gas every time it's used even though I use ethanol free fuel. Old habits die hard.

In short old marine engines weren't designed with ethanol in mind and it can cause issues. Same with low sulphur diesel.

[wolfer]

Originally Posted by fridayfrs

They don't. Older o/b engines it can cause issues with the fuel lines over time and can cause issues in the carb if fuel is left long enough. I run mine out of gas every time it's used even though I use ethanol free fuel. Old habits die hard.

In short old marine engines weren't designed with ethanol in mind and it can cause issues. Same with low sulphur diesel.

After I posted last time I did some serious research on marine engines the problem is most people do not use them much in the winter and ethanol attracts more water than straight gasoline at least 3 times as much and creates water in the bottom of the fuel tank on large permanent tanks. There are two sides to this argument. I do not wish to get into a contraversy however it is a fact my son got much better gas mileage with non ethanol whether it is worth the extra money it costs I am not sure if it is cost efective but I personally think non ethanol is better on the engine than ethanol. Time will tell we may not have a choice down the road we do not control manufacturing.

[fridayfrs]

Originally Posted by wolfer

After I posted last time I did some serious research on marine engines the problem is most people do not use them much in the winter and ethanol attracts more water than straight gasoline at least 3 times as much and creates water in the bottom of the fuel tank on large permanent tanks. There are two sides to this argument. I do not wish to get into a contraversy however it is a fact my son got much better gas mileage with non ethanol whether it is worth the extra money it costs I am not sure if it is cost efective but I personally think non ethanol is better on the engine than ethanol. Time will tell we may not have a choice down the road we do not control manufacturing.

I agree straight gas is better. If you look at the website you'll find many of the places listed are marinas. My FRS has had straight gas and 93 blend. My boat however gets no ethanol for the dink and no low sulphur fuel. Ethanol apparently degrades older engine rubber components so many boaters fight it. It isn't cheap to repower a boat.

[FX86]

i tried ethanol free a few times...it was more expensive v-power nitro+ and didn't seem to make much of a difference

[Taurusjobr]

That receptacle like other recpts even if it is behind a draw, like any other receptacle that is within in 6 of the sink , doesnt it have to be gfci protected ??? Then what? Thanks

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Taurusjobr

That receptacle like other recpts even if it is behind a draw, like any other receptacle that is within in 6 of the sink , doesnt it have to be gfci protected ??? Then what? Thanks

New or remodelled construction yes. Old construction no. At least that is code here. Yours could be different.
At least I think that is what you were asking in the most bizarre place and manner possible.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by wolfer

When they started changing over to ethanol the old engines needed to have hardened valve seats so head work was required but later they found out rubber hoses were deteriorating and other corrosion.

No.

Manufacturers started hardening valve seats when lead was removed from fuel. The lead was believed to protect the valve seats and that a lack of hardening would result in loss of compression when running unleaded fuel. It was an issue, but it turned out not to be as big a problem as people thought.

It had nothing to do with ethanol.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

New or remodelled construction yes. Old construction no. At least that is code here. Yours could be different.
At least I think that is what you were asking in the most bizarre place and manner possible.

That was nice of you @Tcoat to sort out and answer that question.......

@Taurusjobr , if you are uncomfortable with the circuit not being gfi protected, you could have an electrician wire one into the circuit.


humfrz

[mdm]

Originally Posted by humfrz

@Taurusjobr , if you are uncomfortable with the circuit not being gfi protected, you could have an electrician wire one into the circuit.

For temporary applications, you can also use something like this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Defiant-2...8213/203741466


I use a similar one for my electric lawnmower and other electric tools used outside, as my outside outlets are non GFCI-protected.


Note: for such GFCI cord to provide protection, the power oulet must have properly connected ground.