Scion FT-S

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Toyota needs to rein in the idiots running the North American show.

/thread.

[WhatIs86For]

Lol at these comments.
What if Scion was watching this thread?? :p

[Calais]

Originally Posted by NikostC

I don't know what you guys have against Scion's. Scion's are 100% built in Japan, while Toyota's are built in the USA. So would you rather have a FT-86 or whatever its going to be called built here? or from where it was designed?

um it was designed in France... just putting it out there

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

/thread.

^what he said

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

Lol at these comments.
What if Scion was watching this thread?? :p

I pray that they do. So someone in Scion will print what Dimman have written and give it to CEO or whoever higher up and understand where Scion stands right now.

Originally Posted by Dimman

Look what one car (the WRX) did for Subaru in North America. Prior to it they were reliable, functional cars driven by grown-up successful hippies that liked to ski. They initially tried to do sporty with the 2.5RS, but for the most part it felt like a factory rice-job (available ridiculous graphics package, with nothing more than the larger H4 from the Legacy). This is similar to tC, sportier looking car that shares most of its components with the Camry. Few people cared about sporty Subarus until they did it seriously with the WRX, and then STi.

That's funny way of saying it! I do approve that statement!

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

...However it is too late for Scion. Its reputation is solidly planted as a majority (majority Dragonitti, not everybody, don't get your panties in a bunch...) of wannabe, douchey, posers that already think they are a performance brand. But Toyota NA has to give away Scions and PAY 'tuners' to mod the cars that the wannabes drool over. And that lack of authenticity and sincerity will prevent a lot people from going to a Scion dealer to buy the FT86. Toyota needs to rein in the idiots running the North American show.

No one gave me my Supra or paid me to tune it. I do it because the car is fucking awesome.

I just want to make a side point that other car companies are doing that too. Enthusiasm for cars is generally low and it's more noticeable in Japan because their population is aging but we have a severe lack of enthusiasm in the US for anything with less than 8 cylinders. Big 4 banger companies like Honda are jumping on the Green movement and bleeding off enthusiasts as they go.

Giving away cars and money to bumpstart tuning shops isn't a bad thing. I believe it makes the aftermarket grow faster for a new car .

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I just want to make a side point that other car companies are doing that too. Enthusiasm for cars is generally low and it's more noticeable in Japan because their population is aging but we have a severe lack of enthusiasm in the US for anything with less than 8 cylinders. Big 4 banger companies like Honda are jumping on the Green movement and bleeding off enthusiasts as they go.

Giving away cars and money to bumpstart tuning shops isn't a bad thing. I believe it makes the aftermarket grow faster for a new car .

But don't you think it's a bit off when they swap V8 engine in the tC and relocated power to the rear?
True that. Enthusiasts are like endangered species now. If carmakers decide to go green, we will be killed off soon. Hopefully, there will be something green like Tesla Roadster.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Dark

But don't you think it's a bit off when they swap V8 engine in the tC and relocated power to the rear?

Now that you mention it...

Below is an overly simplified conversation that, I believe, lead to the development of the FT-86...

"Let's make Scion and aim it at young, car-loving ppl--tuners too."
"hmmm all of the tuners are making the TC rear-wheel drive...they must like RWD! Lets give it to them!"
"They also seem to be swapping for bigger engines...well, lets give them an efficient but powerful one instead."

Hence the FT-86 project was born.

In some twisted way, Toyota's Scion game may have caused the FT-86 to be made in the first place.

Does anyone have an official press release to why Toyota/Subaru are making the 86?

Originally Posted by Dark

True that. Enthusiasts are like endangered species now. If carmakers decide to go green, we will be killed off soon. Hopefully, there will be something green like Tesla Roadster.

I don't think enthusiast will die off completely. Depends on what kind of enthusiast. Old-school muscle car fanatics with their big block V8's will probably go b/c of all the emission regulations and that they absolutely hate hybrids and etc.

But then I'm sure many enthusiast just like a car that has a lot of character and is fun to drive. Small efficient cars can be fun to drive. Eventually hybrids will become lighter and etc. and engineers will find a way to make those just as much fun as say a "normal" sporty car.

There is the Tesla. Porsche is going to make that 918 Spyder hybrid. Even Honda's lackluster CR-Z is a step in the right direction. So companies are actually trying. Not to mention the intense research in weight-saving and turbo-charging 4cyls to have V6 power etc etc. Sounds like exactly what enthusiast want PLUS it makes for more efficient automobiles.

So, to the enthusiast out there, don't lose faith quite yet.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Now that you mention it...

Below is an overly simplified conversation that, I believe, lead to the development of the FT-86...

"Let's make Scion and aim it at young, car-loving ppl--tuners too."
"hmmm all of the tuners are making the TC rear-wheel drive...they must like RWD! Lets give it to them!"
"They also seem to be swapping for bigger engines...well, lets give them an efficient but powerful one instead."

Hence the FT-86 project was born.

In some twisted way, Toyota's Scion game may have caused the FT-86 to be made in the first place.

Does anyone have an official press release to why Toyota/Subaru are making the 86?



I don't think enthusiast will die off completely. Depends on what kind of enthusiast. Old-school muscle car fanatics with their big block V8's will probably go b/c of all the emission regulations and that they absolutely hate hybrids and etc.

But then I'm sure many enthusiast just like a car that has a lot of character and is fun to drive. Small efficient cars can be fun to drive. Eventually hybrids will become lighter and etc. and engineers will find a way to make those just as much fun as say a "normal" sporty car.

There is the Tesla. Porsche is going to make that 918 Spyder hybrid. Even Honda's lackluster CR-Z is a step in the right direction. So companies are actually trying. Not to mention the intense research in weight-saving and turbo-charging 4cyls to have V6 power etc etc. Sounds like exactly what enthusiast want PLUS it makes for more efficient automobiles.

So, to the enthusiast out there, don't lose faith quite yet.

I think it's not because of Scion( doesn't make any sense at all). IIRC, admin of 4age forums went to Japan for a Toyota meeting. He asked all members in the forums and they liked to idea of using boxer to revise a long gone AE86( well what are you waiting for when Subaru has become a pet of Toyota?).

Another reason is, Mr Toyoda is an enthusiast. LF-A project was put to a stop, but was given a green light again just after Mr. Toyoda became a CEO. FT-86 was debuted just at the same time. right?

Last reason is, Scion is exclusively sold in NA, but FT-86 was debuted in Tokyo and designed by ED2 in Europe. There is no reason a car was made for Scion.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but you should use . It's not that hard, right?

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Dark

I think it's not because of Scion( doesn't make any sense at all). IIRC, admin of 4age forums went to Japan for a Toyota meeting. He asked all members in the forums and they liked to idea of using boxer to revise a long gone AE86( well what are you waiting for when Subaru has become a pet of Toyota?).

Another reason is, Mr Toyoda is an enthusiast. LF-A project was put to a stop, but was given a green light again just after Mr. Toyoda became a CEO. FT-86 was debuted just at the same time. right?

Last reason is, Scion is exclusively sold in NA, but FT-86 was debuted in Tokyo and designed by ED2 in Europe. There is no reason a car was made for Scion.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but you should use . It's not that hard, right?

No offense taken. I'm partially playing Devil's advocate to try and fathom reasons for Toyota to possibly put the 86 as a Scion in NA. Assuming that they aren't purposefully trying to piss off the enthusiast crowd.

My. Toyoda had to have persuaded a board of money crunchers and market analyst to why the FT-86 would work.The LF-A obviously wasn't going to make a profit--it's a super-car pet project. I don't think they would have allowed TWO pet-projects just because it isn't wise financially. In today's business, "because we like it" is rarely good enough for those business ppl.

I didn't mean that they wanted it to be a Scion from the start, but that the marketing Toyota did for Scion showed that ppl do want a RWD car (the 86). Here in NA anyway, there was the possibility for NA not to get the 86 at all. Thankfully they decided otherwise.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

I think they made the FT-86 because the market is lacking kick ass affordable cars. Period.

[stevens8]

Since every Scion's model name is only 2 letters, how about Scion FS or FR? I really hope this is released as a Toyota.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

No offense taken. I'm partially playing Devil's advocate to try and fathom reasons for Toyota to possibly put the 86 as a Scion in NA. Assuming that they aren't purposefully trying to piss off the enthusiast crowd.

My. Toyoda had to have persuaded a board of money crunchers and market analyst to why the FT-86 would work.The LF-A obviously wasn't going to make a profit--it's a super-car pet project. I don't think they would have allowed TWO pet-projects just because it isn't wise financially. In today's business, "because we like it" is rarely good enough for those business ppl.

I didn't mean that they wanted it to be a Scion from the start, but that the marketing Toyota did for Scion showed that ppl do want a RWD car (the 86). Here in NA anyway, there was the possibility for NA not to get the 86 at all. Thankfully they decided otherwise.

I know what you mean man, but there are demands. For a sport car priced under 30K, today market will accept it. I'm not just saying because I like the car, but from my understanding, sportcar will bring people to the showroom.

[NikostC]

I can see why branding the car a scion would be a bad idea, even tho i drive a scion.. personally I didn't really want a scion tC at first, I wanted a lexus is300 (but goodluck finding a manual one), or an mr2 (too old for me) but I later changed my mind and decided to buy new. so whats available under 20k as a RWD sports car? nothing really, but a Scion tc is a bit more sporty than a corolla that's for sure. but if there was a Toyota FT86 availiable at the time for 23-24k i would have saved my money for a bit longer and bought that.

[Matador]

Scion can have this:



Now go away.