Unpopular Opinion: Interesting read..

[themadscientist]

Why would you purposefully put a huge hole in your already underwhelming torque curve? It makes no sense unless Toybaru is trolling us.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

That dip is bullshit. There is ZERO reason for it to be there. If something as simple as slapping a UEL manifold on the car eliminates it then the car should roll off the assembly line that way.

The dip is a problem, albeit, one that can be driven around, but it shouldn't be there. Coming from two stroke bikes and laggy old-school turbos I know how to deal with it and actually kind of enjoy feeling the car "come on the pipe", but I can appreciate people's frustration about it.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Mmmm, I'm not so sure about that. Not saying you're wrong but I seriously doubt it was an accident.

I come from the same world as you. Nothing wrong with a little flat spot.

In the words of the person general accepted as the authority on the subject of this car's design (I sure as hell would not dispute the statement and I will usually dispute anything):


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=51

[themadscientist]

That explains why I don't get it; I don't value that shit, at all. Maybe save that for family cars, guys?

I swear I hear a lean knock on rapid throttle tip in and I don't like it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

That explains why I don't get it; I don't value that shit, at all. Maybe save that for family cars, guys?

I swear I hear a lean knock on rapid throttle tip in and I don't like it.

Ahhh but us guys that drive 40 to 50K miles a year sure do appreciate trying to save a bit of fuel. Strong probability it helps meet emission control requirements in some markets (ya I know "screw emission controls, racecar" but they are a necessary evil I am afraid).

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

That explains why I don't get it; I don't value that shit, at all. Maybe save that for family cars, guys?

I swear I hear a lean knock on rapid throttle tip in and I don't like it.

It's my DD as well as our road tripper so the fuel efficiency is really appreciated. I just figured it was an acoustics issue with the long intake runners that they didn't want to fight.

[themadscientist]

Long intake runners you say?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Long intake runners you say?

And still badged Scion. I applaud them. Also would do that colour in a heartbeat.

[themadscientist]

I'm thinking about that color for the R, but with huge metal flakes.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Long intake runners you say?

tyte


Love the badge too.

[pfaffendorn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And still badged Scion. I applaud them. Also would do that colour in a heartbeat.

I had no idea the FRS red was so . . . Seductive. It looks a lot like the Soul Red that Mazda charges extra for. Surely you modded the paint job . . . or picked up a magical lens filter in Diagon Alley.



Oops! Yours is WRB, which means you happened upon this red one somewhere outside your own garage. Gosh, those intake funnels always make me think there's a nuclear reactor under there.

[pfaffendorn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And forget that a slight dip shows on a dyno sheet. Even when not driving with the needle straight up I have never once felt that the "dip" interfered with what I wanted to do. I am not even convinced I would have detected it existed without reading about it.

Ah, the "dip" again! An embarassment that we now have at least one rationale for, and a fairly simple fix. I've actually learned to appreciate it by winding the RPMs out on a highway entry ramp and noticing my passenger gasp wide-eyed when we suddenly left 5000 rpm behind. The feeling reminds me of the first experience of being in a 727 when it tipped back and left the ground in a hurry. (Yes, I was born into a world where passenger planes had piston engines and propellers, primary descriptors being noisy and slow.) It was just one of the exciting changes that made me a glass-is-half-full sort of guy.

So, I'm happy cuz I have a sports car with a cool little invisible turbo . . . just with a really long lag time.

[Lynxis]

I have conflicting feelings about the power of this car. Do I think it needs more power? No I don't. Do I think it would benefit from more power? Absolutely, especially around the torque dip. I think that would stop most complainers, actually.

I've been in the situation where I wish I had a bit more right around the torque dip. It's not frequent but sometimes I'll be behind someone who has a slow cruising speed so if the other lane is free, I'll move into it so I can pass them. Normally this is fine, I give 50% throttle and shift at 4000rpm and I'll pass most people quickly and be on my way. Of course, there have been a few people who feel the need to keep pace with me.

Usually old guys in big pickups...

I could still pass them if I waited out the torque dip but I'm not racing anyone so when this happens, I just let off and go behind them. Usually they're cruising fast enough by this point that I don't mind staying behind them but once in a while, I get one who decides to move over to the other lane... slow down past me... merge into my lane behind me... follows me for a few turns...

#breakingnecks

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

I have conflicting feelings about the power of this car. Do I think it needs more power? No I don't. Do I think it would benefit from more power? Absolutely, especially around the torque dip. I think that would stop most complainers, actually.

I've been in the situation where I wish I had a bit more right around the torque dip. It's not frequent but sometimes I'll be behind someone who has a slow cruising speed so if the other lane is free, I'll move into it so I can pass them. Normally this is fine, I give 50% throttle and shift at 4000rpm and I'll pass most people quickly and be on my way. Of course, there have been a few people who feel the need to keep pace with me.

Usually old guys in big pickups...

I could still pass them if I waited out the torque dip but I'm not racing anyone so when this happens, I just let off and go behind them. Usually they're cruising fast enough by this point that I don't mind staying behind them but once in a while, I get one who decides to move over to the other lane... slow down past me... merge into my lane behind me... follows me for a few turns...

#breakingnecks

But see that is just it. If you want more power to be able to pass somebody that actually speeds up when you get beside them then it actually does become racing. If you had more power and sped up when they did then they would just speed up more as well. This of course could keep right on going until one of you reaches the limit of the power, traffic makes one or both have the slow down, the police grab you or you crash and die.
The whole I need more power to pass people that don't want to let me pass thing just doesn't pan out when examined closely.

[yamrossi]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

I have conflicting feelings about the power of this car. Do I think it needs more power? No I don't. Do I think it would benefit from more power? Absolutely, especially around the torque dip. I think that would stop most complainers, actually.

I've been in the situation where I wish I had a bit more right around the torque dip. It's not frequent but sometimes I'll be behind someone who has a slow cruising speed so if the other lane is free, I'll move into it so I can pass them. Normally this is fine, I give 50% throttle and shift at 4000rpm and I'll pass most people quickly and be on my way. Of course, there have been a few people who feel the need to keep pace with me.

Usually old guys in big pickups...

I could still pass them if I waited out the torque dip but I'm not racing anyone so when this happens, I just let off and go behind them. Usually they're cruising fast enough by this point that I don't mind staying behind them but once in a while, I get one who decides to move over to the other lane... slow down past me... merge into my lane behind me... follows me for a few turns...

#breakingnecks

Haha. I agree. Sometimes though it irritates me. Coz only after I start overtake, they feel the need to pick up their pace.
I can imagine the BRZs power may fall short..

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