2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[gymratter]

It looks pretty close to the earlier rendering.

[Mr.Impreza]

So wait, is the BRZ changing also?

[spicyricecake]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Yeah, I told myself I will keep the 86 forever, but the one thing that would make me trade it in would be something like that STI BRZ with a Turbo

pretty much. I'm thinking I'll get myself an older STI as a project/daily beater down the road if I feel the need for a 4 door boosted car.

Contrary to popular demand though, a BRZ STI will never happen i think, let alone something so sexy like the concept one.

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Here comes the "OMGZ KEEP UR SCION BADGES CUZ THE NEW 86 IS OUT AND SCION IS RARE " nonsense again..

Of course! I wanted to be able to brag about that it's 100% stock, right down to the badges!

[Braces]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

It doesn't look like it's just owner bias at work here - virtually all of the comments on the major auto blogs (AB, Jalop, TTAC) that reference the new front clip are negative on it (and on the 5 hp power bump for that matter).

Same thing happened when the new Audi R8 came out with "split side blades". Gen 1 owners and mags complained about it. No one liked the front or rear.

Same thing happened when the Ferrari 488 GTB replaced the 458. Purists hated the new turbo V8 and questioned the enlarged side ducts to cool the turbo power plant.

BTW: there's waiting lists for both cars

It's progress. Good or bad.

[MisterSheep]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Yeah, I told myself I will keep the 86 forever, but the one thing that would make me trade it in would be something like that STI BRZ with a Turbo

also agreed. ^ If they do come out with a BRZ STI and a 86 TRD (I know they have the japan version already but a 86 TRD that's similar to the BRZ STI concept) I will definitely fork over the 35-40k it will most likely be.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by NyC Zn6

Since the new 86 has a mustache ..:hits the blunt: Does that mean the new BRZ will have a beard?

Considering the affinity that the homosexual community has for Subarus, I would say that a decent number of BRZs already have beards. :jellyroll:

You'll have to forgive me for the bad joke. I'm in Japan on business and have been celebrating St. Pat's already.

[MisterSheep]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

THIS is the 86 everyone wants. C'mon Subaru.

Subaru save us!

[MisterSheep]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

So wait, is the BRZ changing also?

I have the same concern

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Subaru save us!

It's too late for Subaru, the new 86 ate it with it's wide mouth lol

[thill]

Originally Posted by Quentin

1) The MX5 and 86/BRZ are world cars that are niche products. They simply don't move enough to throw a bunch of different drivetrains in them for this price. That is why both of them are 2.0L cars without turbos. It lets them skip the displacement and carbon taxes that they would otherwise see in the ROW.

They don't need to throw a bunch of different drivetrains at the car. They just need to give the car the bump in power (mostly torque) that it always deserved. If Ford, VW, GM, etc can make inexpensive turbo charged engines then there is no reason that Toyota cannot. Sorry but I just don't buy that Toyota and Subaru do not have the means to pull this off. Subaru has tons of experience with turbo charging boxster engines.

2) The are not slower than most family sedans in a straight line. Yes, the V6/I4 turbo versions are quicker, but MOST family sedans out there are your standard 170-190hp dragging around 3400lbs. The plain jane versions outsell the hot versions 10 to 1.

Sorry, not faster than some family sedans and some family SUV's if it makes you feel better.

3) The only way to really pump up sales on this car is to make it some combination of bigger, cheaper, and/or AWD. I'd take cheaper if we didn't lose the good sports car stuff it already comes with (LSD, aluminum hood, multi-link rear, good seats/steering wheel, good suspension). Bigger or AWD.... fuck that. We already have the WRX, Focus RS, and Golf R if you need a practical AWD car.

The cheaper part I agree with if they kept the car the same. Bigger and AWD? I don't. They just need to give the car the power it should have had all along. There are many, many, buyers who either sold their car, or passed on it because they wanted more power. This car was never destined to be a high volume seller, but I think they would have seen a nice bump in sales if they gave it more respectable power.

[MisterSheep]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

It's too late for Subaru, the new 86 ate it with it's wide mouth lol

And this is exactly why I'm making my own TRD 86.. Fuck Toyota and Subaru not making the car everybody wants.. I'll make it. And it'll only be for me

[Atticus808]

Nice car, what's the retail on one of those?

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Atticus808

Nice car, what's the retail on one of those?