Downshift vs neutral roll

[Gabeisonfire]

Originally Posted by Romanov

I downshift as much as I can to a stop. Once at stop I'll put the clutch in and leave the car in first at a light. If I know I'm gonna be there for a while(long light or Alot of traffic) I'll put it in neutral and put the clutch out. But typically what I'm trying to say is that I always leave the car in gear in case of emergency. Coasting in neutral is a no-no for me.

Leaving the car in gear with the clutch pedal depressed at a stop eventually will wear out the fingers on your pressure plate and throwout bearing. Not any time soon but it does put unnecessary load on the components when there doesn't need to be any. I, personally, always take it out of gear at a stop.

[Ultramaroon]

My $0.02:
The only acceptable way to skip gears downshifting is to double-clutch into the target gear. Otherwise rake through each gear sequentially while holding in the clutch. Skipping gates puts a horrible strain on the syncros.

Similarly, don't go straight from 3rd to 6th. I still do it sometimes but I wait a good long time in neutral to let the input side spool down. If it doesn't immediately slip into gear with a light touch, you're not waiting long enough.


Or just don't skip gears, period.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My $0.02:
The only acceptable way to skip gears downshifting is to double-clutch into the target gear. Otherwise rake through each gear sequentially while holding in the clutch. Skipping gates puts a horrible strain on the syncros.

Similarly, don't go straight from 3rd to 6th. I still do it sometimes but I wait a good long time in neutral to let the input side spool down. If it doesn't immediately slip into gear with a light touch, you're not waiting long enough.


Or just don't skip gears, period.

Do you have a source on this? I skip gears on the highway all the time when I hammer on it then shift to 6th when I hit 60

[Romanov]

Originally Posted by Gabeisonfire

Leaving the car in gear with the clutch pedal depressed at a stop eventually will wear out the fingers on your pressure plate and throwout bearing. Not any time soon but it does put unnecessary load on the components when there doesn't need to be any. I, personally, always take it out of gear at a stop.

Yeah, I take it out of gear if I'm going to be there for a while, if it's less than 20 seconds then I'll leave the car in gear (I live in a small town so lights change quickly)

[Braces]

Originally Posted by xFury

When you come to Vegas and have some free time, let me know please lol. I still need to work on some of the basics still, and would love some lesson from ya.

I been rolling in gear till I come to a complete stop, but sometimes it just auto pilot into neutral, but been trying to stay in gear most of the time, down to 3rd and sometimes 2nd gear. Seems like my upshift is still a bit rough, car jumps slightly sometimes v__v

Maybe you guys can hang out at the chicken ranch .... if it's still there.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My $0.02:
The only acceptable way to skip gears downshifting is to double-clutch into the target gear. Otherwise rake through each gear sequentially while holding in the clutch. Skipping gates puts a horrible strain on the syncros.

Similarly, don't go straight from 3rd to 6th. I still do it sometimes but I wait a good long time in neutral to let the input side spool down. If it doesn't immediately slip into gear with a light touch, you're not waiting long enough.


Or just don't skip gears, period.

Hmmm. Interesting. For many years most performance machinery I drove has had sequential, constant mesh transmissions. And yes, my standard downshift technique was blip, shift, blip shift. The faster I was going and harder I was braking the more important that became. Getting the input shaft unloaded and at a speed similar to the output shaft makes life a lot easier on CM gearboxes and makes it much less likely engine braking will slide the back tire while you're hard on the binders (and sometimes turning/leaning).

In the Subarota I tend to go down the box sequentially as well. Mostly because I like to. Still getting the hang of "fat footing" the throttle. It's just a different set of muscles to train.

Edit: It seems to me that the strain on the synchros is/should be directly proportional to the difference in speeds of the input and output shafts. If you're slowing down and reach a road speed that's compatible with gear ratio/engine speed for the gear you're downshifting into I don't see what excessive stress that puts on the box.

[Riftur]

Down shifting puts extra wear on the clutch and brakes are much cheaper to change than the clutch. I myself love downshifting but be prepared to go through clutches much faster.

[lukey86]

Originally Posted by Riftur

Down shifting puts extra wear on the clutch and brakes are much cheaper to change than the clutch. I myself love downshifting but be prepared to go through clutches much faster.

Hard driving, launching, riding the clutch etc will shorten the life of your clutch for sure, but sensible driving including downshifting and your clutch will last a lot longer than you'll own the car. Unless you own a wrx, never met a Rex owner who hasn't changed at least one clutch lol


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[soulreapersteve]

I downshift because I drive an automatic.

[lukey86]

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve

I downshift because I drive an automatic.

How long does your clutch last?....


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[imaguitar]

Originally Posted by lukey86

Hard driving, launching, riding the clutch etc will shorten the life of your clutch for sure, but sensible driving including downshifting and your clutch will last a lot longer than you'll own the car. Unless you own a wrx, never met a Rex owner who hasn't changed at least one clutch lol


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Are wrx clutches like a lot stronger than other cars out there?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My $0.02:
The only acceptable way to skip gears downshifting is to double-clutch into the target gear. Otherwise rake through each gear sequentially while holding in the clutch. Skipping gates puts a horrible strain on the syncros.

Similarly, don't go straight from 3rd to 6th. I still do it sometimes but I wait a good long time in neutral to let the input side spool down. If it doesn't immediately slip into gear with a light touch, you're not waiting long enough.


Or just don't skip gears, period.

This^^^^! I personally never double clutch so I forget to tell people that.
The joys of trying to type how to drive.

[lukey86]

Originally Posted by imaguitar

Are wrx clutches like a lot stronger than other cars out there?

A WRX clutch has to deliver power to twice the amount of wheels which means twice the strain on the clutch and the majority of WRX's out there are driven twice as hard as a normal car...Life as a WRX clutch tends to be short and violent lol

[soulreapersteve]

Originally Posted by lukey86

How long does your clutch last?....


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Clutch?

You mean the word that doesn't exist in an auto owner's dictionary?


(being totally facetious here)