Learning manual on the 86

[emishor86]

Originally Posted by Bowen

Using the ebrake on a hill is perfectly fine. Engaging the ebrake, getting the clutch and gas just right when the car starts to tug, and then disengaging the ebrake. This is much less harmful to the clutch rather than working the gas and clutch to simply stay in place on the hill.

If you wanna check out what you should and shouldn't do while driving a manual, check out Engineering Explained's video called 5 Things You Shouldn't Do While Driving A Manual. It's got some great stuff in it that I wish knew when learning to drive manual.

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yeah that's what I heard on various videos, I guess it takes practice to know when it's absolutely nessacary, however I think some some gradients you don't even need the e brake if you're swift on the throttle

[emishor86]

UPDATE: Just went for a night drive in the light rain, it was awesome up in the twisties... I'm getting the hang of down shifts, still stalling now and then tho :S

[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by mdm

Seriously, people are complaining about insufficient torque for LEARNING TO OPERATE MT?

I also learned in an old Opel (called a Vauxhall, Buick, Saturn and who knows what else in other countries!). I don't know what power it had... but it was definitely not a lot!

Being 18 years old I had zero mechanical sympathy and drove the S*** out of it... I stalled, missed gears, learnt how to "heel-toe" on down shifts (which is surprisingly heavy on gas when you do it EVERYWHERE!!!), did 180 and 360 spins on sand roads as well as tried my hand at some amateur rally (i.e. on same sand roads prior to the spinning )

OP - You're lucky to learn in a much nicer car... it's just practice, and like peeps are saying, relax and drive the car and before you know it you'll be doing it without thinking.

Besides a MT is more fun i.m.o (esp in this car!)

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Bowen

This is much less harmful to the clutch rather than working the gas and clutch to simply stay in place on the hill.

If you wanna check out what you should and shouldn't do while driving a manual, check out Engineering Explained's video called 5 Things You Shouldn't Do While Driving A Manual. It's got some great stuff in it that I wish knew when learning to drive manual.

GAH!! WTF is saying to slip the clutch and gas to maintain placement on the hill.


If you're on an incline, all you do at a red light is leave the car in neutral with foot off clutch. When light goes green put it in "1" and take off like you normally would. Just transition from brake to gas quicker.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

But if you're starting on an incline aren't you temporarily parked? And isn't rolling back an emergency?

A) No.


B) How much do you roll back without using the handbrake?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

A) No.


B) How much do you roll back without using the handbrake?

2 enough that I don't want to feel with it. And not just any hill, only really steep ones

Googled the definition of "parked" seems one must leave the vehicle or otherwise place it with the intention of not moving for a period of time. Since a stop light is a hiccup in your trip and no one wants to stop to start with, it probably doesn't count so I removed the above #1. I was just using it as a kind of play on words since it's called a "parking brake"

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

1 yes. You are stopped, therefore parked.

2 enough that I don't want to feel with it. And not just any hill, only really steep ones

1) Stopped in normal flowing traffic is not considered "parked." I just googled the definition of parking, this is from CA law.


463. "Park or parking" shall mean the standing of a vehicle,
whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose
of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or
passengers.

2) Whatever works, but when you don't rely on the handbrake you can make the transition correctly, even on steep hills, without rolling backwards.


It wouldn't have even been an option on the first few vehicles I had with manual as the "e-brake" on those were foot brakes.


This handbrake method has to be fairly new because when were handbrakes even introduced in vehicle manufacturing?


I admit I don't know and just googled this: http://www.google.com/patents/US2963896


Apparently 1960 is when the patent was filed... so that's definitely after the manual transmission had been used for quite some time without it.

[emishor86]

Hey all, I just turned on my gear indicator on my dash, is that a bad habit to get used to while learning? I feel like it can help me downshift better without having to think about the gears so much

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

2) Whatever works, but when you don't rely on the handbrake you can make the transition correctly, even on steep hills, without rolling backwards.

You seem to insist that there is something oncorrect in using handbrake to start on a steep hill, and I still can't get why would it be incorrect.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Apparently 1960 is when the patent was filed... so that's definitely after the manual transmission had been used for quite some time without it.

How is this an argument? Transmissons weren't synchronized back then and required particular techniques to engage gears without grinding. It does not mean that we should employ these techniques with modern synchronized gearboxes because it's somehow "correct" .

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by mdm

You seem to insist that there is something oncorrect in using handbrake to start on a steep hill, and I still can't get why would it be incorrect.




How is this an argument? Transmissons weren't synchronized back then and required particular techniques to engage gears without grinding. It does not mean that we should employ these techniques with modern synchronized gearboxes because it's somehow "correct" .

What does synchronized transmissions have to do with using a handbrake on a hill? I was simply pointing out that this "technique" is fairly new in relation to the car in general since they didn't come with handbrakes for a time after first being introduced.


It isn't that its not "incorrect," it is a crutch.


From that other thread it seems like most of the people using this handbrake method are younger guys who learned off youtube or didn't have someone teach them (broad generalization). It is just an interesting thing I have noticed. I'm willing to bet most forums don't have this debate at all.

[PandaSPUR]

I've never run into a situation where quickly moving from brake to gas wasnt enough. I live in NYC so I guess we dont have thaaat many steep hills. But even on an on-ramp with bumper to bumper traffic, I'm fine without the handbrake.

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

It isn't that its not "incorrect," it is a crutch.

It's a device that can be used to facilitate doing something. Like synchromesh facilitates engaging gears (here is your "what does it have to do with"). Like power windows facilitate operating windows. Like ECU, among other things, allows to start a cold engine without manually setting fuel enrichment lever (yes, I remember those).


You call it a crutch, but it is here not to address a disability, it also does not interfere with vehicle operation. So I choose to call it progress.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I'm willing to bet most forums don't have this debate at all.

Haha, I am pretty sure you are wronmg people on the internet would debate just anything for days ;-)

[mdm]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

I've never run into a situation where quickly moving from brake to gas wasnt enough. I live in NYC so I guess we dont have thaaat many steep hills. But even on an on-ramp with bumper to bumper traffic, I'm fine without the handbrake.

And that's all good. Nobody says you have to use it. But if you don't feel comfortable, or the hill is super steep, or you just don't feel like you want to move your foot quickly this particular time, you should be aware that you have the option to use the handbrake.

[Summerwolf]

I just couldn't imagine a scenario where you want to add a step to an already simple process. That is what I'm getting at.