Why is the SBD kit so well priced?

[HaloFRS]

Originally Posted by wise345

My simple question has seemed to spark quite the argument…. all i wanted to know was if SBD was using sub par parts or if it was what i thought and it was just the same kit as GReddy but SBD didnt do R&D and therefore could sell it cheaper.

Yes and a lot of people answered your question. Yet this guy kept talking crap. You can say things in a respective way. Not a douchey trolly kind of way. We are all grown ups here.

[HaloFRS]

Originally Posted by AxisPower

Wouldn't be surprised if Zage is/was Greddy's original supplier for this specific kit and owns all the tooling/fixturing considering all the components are literally identical from one kit to the other, except the Turbo and BOV.

This is exactly my thought process. So if this is true technically greddy is using zages design.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by HaloFRS

Yes and a lot of people answered your question. Yet this guy kept talking crap. You can say things in a respective way. Not a douchey trolly kind of way. We are all grown ups here.

Yea.. im the one being a douche troll because I'm trying to get an honest answer out of SBD. What exactly have you contributed to this discussion?
Please, if I'm talking crap, point out what is inaccurate in what I've said so far.

Originally Posted by spdbydesign

We are a dealer for Zage's product, which is not Greddy's.

That is my position, as it has been from day #1.

My only concerns are with Zage, as that is the kit we sell.

Zage & Greddy's dealings are between two manufacturers.

As a dealer, my concerns are my customers and insuring their satisfaction.

As long as Zage supplies a high quality product on a timely basis, their internal business dealings are not my place to get involved in.

Ok, so confirmed, your business does not care if the kits you buy are ripoffs of another company's design. Seems like youre known for this in the GTR community as well.
As long as you minimize costs and maximize customers, nothing else matters. Sound business practice for profitability, I'll give you that.

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Yea.. im the one being a douche troll because I'm trying to get an honest answer out of SBD.



Ok, so confirmed, your business does not care if the kits you buy are ripoffs of another company's design. Seems like youre known for this in the GTR community as well.

You didn't read my response did you?

You clearly have an agenda and I'm clearly not going to change your mind, so while I respect you as a fellow enthusiast....we're going to have to be okay agreeing to disagree.

I will not get in the middle of Zage vs Greddy. It's not my place.

My responsibility is taking care of our USA based customers and insuring they have a good experience with the product.

If I die tomorrow, another dealer will take my place. This kit is here to stay, period.

You can make me out to be the bad guy, but the fact of the matter is this kit is doing well in North America because we're improving it.....and taking quality care of our customers.

I'm not getting involved in a discussion about moral dilemma's, nor my personal feelings.

I've clearly stated my business position and I stand firm on what I said above.

If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by spdbydesign

You didn't read my response did you?

You clearly have an agenda and I'm clearly not going to change your mind, so while I respect you as a fellow enthusiast....we're going to have to be okay agreeing to disagree.

I will not get in the middle of Zage vs Greddy. It's not my place.

My responsibility is taking care of our USA based customers and insuring they have a good experience with the product.

If I die tomorrow, another dealer will take my place. You can make me out to be the bad guy, but the fact of the matter is this kit is doing well because we're improving it.....and taking quality care of our customers.

I'm not getting involved in a discussion about moral dilemma's, nor my personal feelings.

I've clearly stated my business position and I stand firm on what I said above.

"I will not get in the middle of Zage vs Greddy. It's not my place. "

Thats exactly what I meant, you do not bother to verify the originality of the kit you are purchasing.

Your only concern is the satisfaction of your customers. How is what I'm saying different from what you keep saying?

EDIT: either way, the answer to the OP is clear: SBD kit is cheap because no R&D was performed by SBD for the kit.

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

"I will not get in the middle of Zage vs Greddy. It's not my place. "

Thats exactly what I meant, you do not bother to verify the originality of the kit you are purchasing.

Your only concern is the satisfaction of your customers. How is what I'm saying different from what you keep saying?

It's not my place to get in the middle of he said, she said....who did what.

If Greddy has a problem with Zage, they need to take it up there.

I'm a dealer, nothing more, nothing less.

I've answered your question and have nothing further to add.

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

EDIT: either way, the answer to the OP is clear: SBD kit is cheap because no R&D was performed by SBD for the kit.

It's because of our experience with the kit we offer a Turbo Blanket, BOV, 3" MAF Pipe with BOV Flange Welded On, OFT E-Tune, Pre-Welded Oil Pan, New Wastegate design.....and other changes that were not available when this kit was launched in 2013 from Zage.

These are changes that were made due to my involvement to make it even more user friendly for the consumer.

NO, I did not design the first kit, but we did help Zage improve the product.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by spdbydesign

It's not my place to get in the middle of he said, she said....who did what.

If Greddy has a problem with Zage, they need to take it up there.

I'm a dealer, nothing more, nothing less.

I've answered your question and have nothing further to add.

Yes, again, you're confirming what I said. You did not bother to verify the originality of the kit because you take the stance that it is not your business to.

Originally Posted by spdbydesign

It's because of our experience with the kit we offer a Turbo Blanket, BOV, 3" MAF Pipe with BOV Flange Welded On, OFT E-Tune, Pre-Welded Oil Pan, New Wastegate design.....and other changes that were not available when this kit was launched in 2013 from Zage.

These are changes that were made due to my involvement to make it even more user friendly for the consumer.

NO, I did not design the first kit, but we did help Zage improve the product.

I'll give you that. But wasn't that based on user feedback and work done by Shiv while creating the OFT tunes?

The kit is better, yes, okay, I'll give you that. But was it any cost out of pocket? If not, point stands, your kit is cheap because you did not perform your own R&D on it. Or at most, you performed minimal R&D to confirm the feedback received.

EDIT: To be clear, if I really wanted to be a "douche troll" I would carry out this discussion in your sales thread. But I'm keeping it in this thread since the entire thread was created for this reason. I have no desire to force my own morals and views on others, I just want to get down to the truth on record.

[HaloFRS]

Im not even gonna argue with you anymore. You win.

Wonder why. It explains a lot. Vape much? Lol

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by HaloFRS

Im not even gonna argue with you anymore. You win.

Wonder why. It explains a lot. Vape much? Lol

lol yes, because vaping is proven to have an affect on personality and intelligence.

Again, are you going to contribute to this discussion or just keep attacking me?

Just get out of here man, your immature responses aren't helping SBD in any way.

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Yes, again, you're confirming what I said. You did not bother to verify the originality of the kit because you take the stance that it is not your business to.



I'll give you that. But wasn't that based on user feedback and work done by Shiv while creating the OFT tunes?

The kit is better, yes, okay, I'll give you that. But was it any cost out of pocket? If not, point stands, your kit is cheap because you did not perform your own R&D on it. Or at most, you performed minimal R&D to confirm the feedback received.

EDIT: To be clear, if I really wanted to be a "douche troll" I would carry out this discussion in your sales thread. But I'm keeping it in this thread since the entire thread was created for this reason. I have no desire to force my own morals and views on others, I just want to get down to the truth on record.

We're done with this exchange. I've answered your questions and I'm done beating a dead horse all evening.

You can accept what I told you or not, but I've been open with you.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by spdbydesign

We're done with this exchange. I've answered your questions and I'm done beating a dead horse all evening.

You can accept what I told you or not, but I've been open with you.

Fair enough, thanks for your responses. I understand not wanting to go on record admitting minimal to no R&D was performed by SBD.

I have my own conclusions, not forcing it on anyone else.