Downshift vs neutral roll

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PureShield

If you don't lift off of the clutch pedal after putting it into neutral and just rev match is that all right?

Oh, of course it is. It's fine. Rev match after it's in the lower gear [before engaging the clutch] so your passenger doesn't get whiplash. That's all.

BTW, for those folks knocking on people learning how to drive stick from the interwebs, consider an entire generation who did not have the luxury of experienced parents to teach them proper technique.

The web can be a great resource. I, for one, will continue to do my best to be supportive and helpful to the best of my ability.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Yeah, I still can't heel toe well. It sucks.

It's the damn DBW and VSC. It fights you adding throttle if the brake is engaged.

I'm not sure if I'm imagining it but I started pedal dancing on my commute again and I think it kills that function too.

Try it and let me know if that seems to help you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

BTW, for those folks knocking on people learning how to drive stick from the interwebs, consider an entire generation who did not have the luxury of experienced parents to teach them proper technique.

The web can be a great resource. I, for one, will continue to do my best to be supportive and helpful to the best of my ability.

The only real issue is that people trying to learn from the printed word can misunderstand. These things are something that can be shown within a few minutes but descriptions do not do them justice.

That and the fact that no two people agree on all the techniques and how, when or even if, they should be used.

I know if I was trying to learn from one of these threads I would have said "screw it" a long time ago and just went and drove my car to figure it all out on my own.

I will still try to assist people when they ask and pass on the methods I believe to be accurate and best and they can choose my info or that of the others as they so desire.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The only real issue is that people trying to learn from the printed word can misunderstand. These things are something that can be shown within a few minutes but descriptions do not do them justice.

That and the fact that no two people agree on all the techniques and how, when or even if, they should be used.

I know if I was trying to learn from one of these threads I would have said "screw it" a long time ago and just went and drove my car to figure it all out on my own.

I will still try to assist people when they ask and pass on the methods I believe to be accurate and best and they can choose my info or that of the others as they so desire.

Amen. There is no substitute for one-on-one. Printed word leaves even more to be desired than the spoken. That's why it takes immense patience and empathy to insist on maintaining the dialog after a requester shows signs of embarrassment for "taking too much time."

In for a penny, in for a pound.

[driftartist]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Oh, of course it is. It's fine. Rev match after it's in the lower gear so your passenger doesn't get whiplash. That's all.

BTW, for those folks knocking on people learning how to drive stick from the interwebs, consider an entire generation who did not have the luxury of experienced parents to teach them proper technique.

The web can be a great resource. I, for one, will continue to do my best to be supportive and helpful to the best of my ability.

if the passengers head whiplashes, then it wasnt a rev match

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by driftartist

if the passengers head whiplashes, then it wasnt a rev match

Isn't that what I said?

[Cole]

@Tcoat and @Ultramaroon think I've told this story many times here before, but after I got my first stick car, my dad picked it up for me while I was at work and left the keys and a note in the kitchen. The note basically said "you have a week to practice on your own, then you'll get a week with me teaching". I went out that first day, stalled, burnt the clutch, spun the tires a lot from popping the clutch and fucked up just about every way in the book. After 2 or 3 days, I got a lot smoother.

Then I went out with my dad, he drove me around for about 30 minutes showing me some of the finer points, then got me to drive. The first thing he did was instructed me to get to the biggest, steepest hill he knew about in town. Told me to pull over, park the car and shut it off. Gave me some pointers and told me to get to the top of the hill. That was a fun experience that took probably 15 times longer than it should have. (Also taught me the ebrake thing )

He never taught me how to rev match, instead he just told me to down shift a gear whenever I could, without the car jerking around too much. Worked for me for 2 and a half years.

Had I bought an MT frs, I'd probably have tried learning to heel-toe, but it's definitely not a necessary skill for the 90% of situations you'll be in when you're driving, let alone just learning to drive stick.

Edit: though, with that said, I often got lazy and did the neutral roll.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Cole

Edit: though, with that said, I often got lazy and did the neutral roll.

I think it's like rolling through a stop sign. Technically, it's illegal but most people do it from time to time.

[3nl]

If you are cruising, just leave it in gear or downshift once until you are doing like 5 or 10mph - even in fourth you can still step on the gas and move for an emergency, albeit like in a Prius. Then you can shift to second without ever letting the clutch out until you are totally stopped and somebody is behind you if you are worried about getting rear-ended. Still get some engine braking, can step on the gas, and you aren't rowing through gears.

If you can't heel-toe, you shouldn't be rowing anyway since you are going to be slowing down without any brake lights - what is the point of staying in gear to have power to escape a rear end if you are slowing down without your brake lights? Either that your you will look like a fool stepping on the brakes, taking your foot off to downshift, then lighting them up again over and over...

You can be in 6th and still brake to a snails pace before the car wants to stall. Why ever roll in neutral if you are over a few miles per hour?

[redfred]

I don't always downshift when rolling to a stop, but when I do I always blip & match.



Matching revs in this car, especially when exiting a highway, is one of the joys of ownership. So is the occasional autox and blast through country roads & hills.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by redfred

I don't always downshift when rolling to a stop, but when I do I always blip & match.



Matching revs in this car, especially when exiting a highway, is one of the joys of ownership. So is the occasional autox and blast through country roads & hills.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Ideally you want to rev up the engine to the RPMs it will be at in the new lower gear, with the clutch engaged (not pushing the pedal), then shift to the lower gear. If done perfectly, the car won't lunge at all and the shifter will go into the next gear buttah smoov.

Say you're at 3,000 RPMs in 5th gear, but you want to go to 4th. If you were already in 4th gear at your current speed, we'll say that would be 4,000 RPMs. So... ideally... you would:

1. Push in the clutch pedal
2. Shift to neutral
3. Left off of the clutch pedal
4. Rev up to 4,000 RPMs
5. Push in the clutch pedal
6. Shift to 4th
7. Let off of the clutch pedal

That'll save your synchros, your clutch, and just be a cool thing to do. It takes practice, but not as much as you might expect from my 7 step instructions.

With all this leg movement to sound cool, you'd think everyone was talking about death metal drumming.


How many RPMs of give do you have when you blip? for example if I wanted to downshift into 4th and ideally that would be perfect at 4,000 RPM. Could it still feel somewhat smooth at 3,800-4,200 RPM? When practicing this, my biggest hang up is revving correctly. This could also mean i'm doing it too slowly

[FLYFISHR]

Just to throw a spanner into the works �� What about all that wear and tear on the throw out bearing by coasting with the clutch pedal depressed?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by FLYFISHR

Just to throw a spanner into the works �� What about all that wear and tear on the throw out bearing by coasting with the clutch pedal depressed?

Who seriously uses a spanner? Who are you, Chewbacca?