Scion's biggest enemy is their own dealerships.

[fistpoint]

I have to disagree with you in regards to them not allowing a test drive...kudos to them. They apparently don't have a demo model, so why should they turn a new vehicle into one for you or anyone else?

That's fantastic that the eventual customer will come along that has driven one elsewhere, and came to purchase theirs that has NOT been test driven by every Tom, **** and Harry.

I will not buy an FR-s that has over 10 miles on it unless I'm the one who put them there. Yes it would have been nice if they let you test it, but at the same time it is even more nice that the purchaser will be buying as pristine an example as possible.
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The solution is simple: find a dealer that does grant test drives then buy it there or anywhere now that you've driven one. My local dealer has a Raven AT, neither my color or tranny choice. It already had 388 miles on it!!! Even if I wanted those options, there is no way in hell I'd buy a new car with 388 miles. That is no longer a new car, it's used or a demo and shouldn't be sold for full price. My dealer is selling it as a demo(rightfully so).

[vaporiz]

Not really surprised... Since the car is new, there are idiots who will buy the car without test driving. Once the hype dies down, it will probably be sold in a regular procedure like any other car.

Low supply, high demand means that dealers can do crazy sh** and get away with it because of the skewed market. Not saying this is right, be it should be expected when you buy a new model.

Give it a year or two and those dealers trying to do that will not sell sh**.

[Suiris]

The dealer I have bought my last 2 cars at... insisted that any test drive would include him in the passenger seat... Which was annoying as my girlfriend who was along doesn't drive so she was either going to have to ride separately with the sales guy driving or in the back seat... So we took our test drive... we liked the look and feel of the car, even with her in the backseat, so we decided to run our credit... Tier one approval... no $ down... good to go...

ME: "Now we test drive alone... and we don't sign anything until after we drive and then we make a final decision."

What could they say? The money was on the table... And if they said "No", I would have said "thanks for setting up the bank... I'll just go to the next dealer and tell them I've already been approved..."

...reluctantly they let us go alone but asked us to please not take it out on the interstate... which I really didn't understand but this car shines better off the big roads anyway...

We decided and we bought...

They wanted to "hold" the car for 2-3 days because they only had the one and were (are?) still waiting to take delivery of 2 more... but we nixed that... Do you really let a guaranteed sale walk just so you can park the car in the showroom for two days and let people rub all over it... Cuz I'll be damned if they were going to get it for a few days... We signed and drove it home.

There are reasons that this is the last dollars I will spend at that dealership... but they are unrelated to the test drive...

[csbassplayer2003]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I have to disagree with you in regards to them not allowing a test drive...kudos to them. They apparently don't have a demo model, so why should they turn a new vehicle into one for you or anyone else?

That's fantastic that the eventual customer will come along that has driven one elsewhere, and came to purchase theirs that has NOT been test driven by every Tom, **** and Harry.

I will not buy an FR-s that has over 10 miles on it unless I'm the one who put them there. Yes it would have been nice if they let you test it, but at the same time it is even more nice that the purchaser will be buying as pristine an example as possible.
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The solution is simple: find a dealer that does grant test drives then buy it there or anywhere now that you've driven one. My local dealer has a Raven AT, neither my color or tranny choice. It already had 388 miles on it!!! Even if I wanted those options, there is no way in hell I'd buy a new car with 388 miles. That is no longer a new car, it's used or a demo and shouldn't be sold for full price. My dealer is selling it as a demo(rightfully so).

So you bought a car without a test drive? If you did get a test drive did you buy that car?

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by csbassplayer2003

So you bought a car without a test drive? If you did get a test drive did you buy that car?

I would never buy a car without a test drive, which I why I suggested he find one to drive, then buy anywhere(the lowest mileage one).

No, did not purchase. I can't find a manual Argento near me, or any manual for that matter to drive. And if I do it most likely will have been molested already so I'd pass. I went just to look, they offered the drive. If it had no(10 or less) miles I would have declined and waited pointing out the reason I mentioned previously.

I'm going to have to order one, but not until I test a manual first. The AT gave me an idea of how the car drives/rides/feels only and ruined much of the drive due to being such an awkward method of driving(I cannot drive AT!).

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I would never buy a car without a test drive, which I why I suggested he find one to drive, then buy anywhere(the lowest mileage one).

No, did not purchase. I can't find a manual Argento near me, or any manual for that matter to drive. And if I do it most likely will have been molested already so I'd pass. I went just to look, they offered the drive. If it had no miles I would have declined and waited pointing out the reason I mentioned previously.

I'm going to have to order one, but not until I test a manual first. The AT gave me an idea of how the car drives/rides/feels only and ruined much of the drive due to being such an awkward method of driving(I cannot drive AT!).

FYI, you'll never find 0 odo FRS/BRZ ANY DEALER IN THE WORLD. Literally impossible. Even you order from online, by the time get to you, it'll already have at least 10miles

[Lonewolf]

There is a dealer nearby that has had two FRS's sitting on their lot since they were delivered last Friday. They both have fugly wheels slapped on along with a 2K mark-up to cover the cost of the wheels (They are refusing to remove the wheels right now...we'll see how long that lasts).

I was talking to a salesperson about the fact that other dealerships were having FRS's fly off the lot when sold at MSRP without add-ons, and he's like, "Oh, well, you're not going to find the FRS at MSRP right now...

...what a clueless dipsh...

[eriktherod]

Mine had 20 and I'm completely fine with that! I know it was only there for less than 24 hours.

While this whole experience can be frustrating, you just have to power through it and find a good dealership... or wait!

Lonewolf, you should keep a few window sticker pictures of the car at MSRP on your phone!

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by eriktherod

Mine had 20 and I'm completely fine with that! I know it was only there for less than 24 hours.

While this whole experience can be frustrating, you just have to power through it and find a good dealership... or wait!

Lonewolf, you should keep a few window sticker pictures of the car at MSRP on your phone!

That's a good idea. Better yet, I wish the dealerships could all just jump on here and SEE all the people who have already purchased their car at MSRP.

[eriktherod]

It's not nearly that hard to find either, I'd say it's at least 70% of dealers here in NC aren't. I've only heard of two I believe that are, the other several I contacted are not. Some try to put their own "dealer package" (on every car, not just the FRS) but will easily back down once you tell them you do not want it. If they don't, walk away.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

FYI, you'll never find 0 odo FRS/BRZ ANY DEALER IN THE WORLD. Literally impossible. Even you order from online, by the time get to you, it'll already have at least 10miles

I look for between 5-10 miles based on my last 4 new cars. Because I live in Houston, it is common to find 5 mile new cars. I didn't mean to imply 0 miles, I know that's impossible.

[csbassplayer2003]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I look for between 5-10 miles based on my last 4 new cars. Because I live in Houston, it is common to find 5 mile new cars. I didn't mean to imply 0 miles, I know that's impossible.

In a perfect world every dealer would have a demo of every car they sell, however this is not the case due to costs. That being said, provided they aren't red line miles, im not going to pass up a car because it has 50 miles instead of 10. And it is bogus to expect an interested buyer to hunt down a test drive elsewhere and then expect them to buy from you.

[rikdrt1]

Im glad I got mine with 9 miles --- nobody touched it but me ... Kudos to them also... i dont want some dork reving up on the redline in the first 100miles either.

and i got the same story every where else too btw...

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I have to disagree with you in regards to them not allowing a test drive...kudos to them. They apparently don't have a demo model, so why should they turn a new vehicle into one for you or anyone else?

That's fantastic that the eventual customer will come along that has driven one elsewhere, and came to purchase theirs that has NOT been test driven by every Tom, **** and Harry.

I will not buy an FR-s that has over 10 miles on it unless I'm the one who put them there. Yes it would have been nice if they let you test it, but at the same time it is even more nice that the purchaser will be buying as pristine an example as possible.
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The solution is simple: find a dealer that does grant test drives then buy it there or anywhere now that you've driven one. My local dealer has a Raven AT, neither my color or tranny choice. It already had 388 miles on it!!! Even if I wanted those options, there is no way in hell I'd buy a new car with 388 miles. That is no longer a new car, it's used or a demo and shouldn't be sold for full price. My dealer is selling it as a demo(rightfully so).

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by csbassplayer2003

In a perfect world every dealer would have a demo of every car they sell, however this is not the case due to costs. That being said, provided they aren't red line miles, im not going to pass up a car because it has 50 miles instead of 10. And it is bogus to expect an interested buyer to hunt down a test drive elsewhere and then expect them to buy from you.

Which is why I am more than happy to wait, I'm not 12 anymore, I can wait. Eventually a manual will show up locally and be test-driveable, then I'll be ready to buy anywhere at anytime.

Keep in mind the Raven with 388 miles before my test...obviously had a lot pf people drive it and NOT buy it. That must have been at least 20-30 different test drives/customers passing on it.