Turbo frs vs 911 gt3

[OkieSnuffBox]

^Neutral steer? Is that what you're getting at?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Canehda

I'm not saying crazy drifting angle, I mean a 5-10* angle where you know the car is sliding but it still feels planted

And I never realized being able to hold an angle made you elite *blushes*

thats exactly what he is talking about based on his slip angle comment id imagine. otherwise, its not really gonna feel planted.

[gdrider77]

I have a fun video from a couple weeks back. A gt3 and myself going around the track. Once u edit it, i will post.

Seemed close to what was said on here. This was an experienced driver with a lot of track time. He was pretty fast in the corners, but in the straights he couldn't get past me. Overall I was surprised how fast my car was....or how slow his was? I really expected him to blast past me, but it was not the case.

Some more track time for me, and I could probably beat his times, likely I'm close to.it already.

There was a huge mix of cars the last track day I did, and the only 2 cars that were able to pads me in the straights were 2 heavily modified z06.

They were track prepped cars with sticky tires. I was running an aggressive ,but still street compound.

Once I get technique down better will get a good r compound and hopefully shave a couple seconds off my time.

[Joakim3]

With equal drivers... You'd be lol stomped into oblivion even at 300whp (thats even assuming you had racing brakes, proper suspension and semi-slicks)

Straight Line Speed.
The new GT3's are putting 475hp and the RS's are hover at 500hp on top of being naturally aspirated which means they don't have to wait for boost to hit. Then you have their PDK which like others have said.... quite literally second two none. The cars a like damn terminators. They did a launch control test with a 991 911 Turbo S and tried to break it after 50+ back to back launches.... needless to say it didn't break. You'd be left like you where standing still from a dig so lets assuming we are in motion, even with a 400lb+ weight advantage... they'd real a 350hp FRS in stupidly fast.

Handling
Oh FRS's claim to fame... The Porsches have a shorter wheelbase, significantly wider track and 265 sections in the front and 300 sections in the rear (335 in the RS's case), just as low of a CoG and also have rear biased weight distribution... and this is before we get into the aero grip they generate. They have us covered in that area

Braking
While in pure breaking I'm sure a top of the line AP Racing or equivalent kit (and proper brake cooling) could get an FRS to slow down as fast if not faster than a Porsche (weight is the enemy here which we have them beat at). Those apocalyptic 400m front and 380mm rear PCCB rotors are going to beat us out over the long haul as they have a stupidly larger thermal capacity, and won't fade due composite materials

Track Dynamics
Heat is our enemy

A Turbo BRZ is going to grenade at full bore on a track, the GT3 won't... seeing it has what? like 4 radiators?




That being said... to give you and idea how much maintaining one of those bad boys are, changing the brakes on a GT3 RS cost as much as stock FRS @20k (thats before install mind you). So when you put it that way we win in by a landslideeeeee in the cost:fun ratio

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

With equal drivers... You'd be lol stomped into oblivion even at 300whp (thats even assuming you had racing brakes, proper suspension and semi-slicks)

Straight Line Speed.
The new GT3's are putting 475hp and the RS's are hover at 500hp on top of being naturally aspirated which means they don't have to wait for boost to hit. Then you have their PDK which like others have said.... quite literally second two none. The cars a like damn terminators. They did a launch control test with a 991 911 Turbo S and tried to break it after 50+ back to back launches.... needless to say it didn't break. You'd be left like you where standing still from a dig so lets assuming we are in motion, even with a 400lb+ weight advantage... they'd real a 350hp FRS in stupidly fast.

Handling
Oh FRS's claim to fame... The Porsches have a shorter wheelbase, significantly wider track and 265 sections in the front and 300 sections in the rear (335 in the RS's case), just as low of a CoG and also have rear biased weight distribution... and this is before we get into the aero grip they generate. They have us covered in that area

Braking
While in pure breaking I'm sure a top of the line AP Racing or equivalent kit (and proper brake cooling) could get an FRS to slow down as fast if not faster than a Porsche (weight is the enemy here which we have them beat at). Those apocalyptic 400m front and 380mm rear PCCB rotors are going to beat us out over the long haul as they have a stupidly larger thermal capacity, and won't fade due composite materials

Track Dynamics
Heat is our enemy

A Turbo BRZ is going to grenade at full bore on a track, the GT3 won't... seeing it has what? like 4 radiators?




That being said... to give you and idea how much maintaining one of those bad boys are, changing the brakes on a GT3 RS cost as much as stock FRS @20k (thats before install mind you). So when you put it that way we win in by a landslideeeeee in the cost:fun ratio

I'm sorry, but this reeks of bench racing.

Turbo cars have a much fatter powerband than a NA car, particularly when you're looking at engines that are designed to rev.

CG is a marketing thing. It's basically meaningless in an actual comparison. Did you know a Honda Fit out slaloms a GT3, FRS, Z06, and 458? Yes, they can get through a slalom faster, with a higher CG, smaller "normal" tires, no power, and four doors.

Brake size has NOTHING to do with how well a car stops.

Why would a turbo BRZ grenade? Isn't it logical to upgrade cooling if you upgrade power?

GT3 RS brake rotors are 1700 a set.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm sorry, but this reeks of bench racing.

Turbo cars have a much fatter powerband than a NA car, particularly when you're looking at engines that are designed to rev.

Yeah I understand that, but a turbo FRS is going to "run out breath" faster than a 991 GT3's engine.. Sure if the track is twisty the Porsche can't stretch it's legs by all means, your going to have issues trying to catch a car that is going to be in the fat part of it's power band, but if it's a big open track... gearing and lack of power is going to play it's toll

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

CG is a marketing thing. It's basically meaningless in an actual comparison. Did you know a Honda Fit out slaloms a GT3, FRS, Z06, and 458? Yes, they can get through a slalom faster, with a higher CG, smaller "normal" tires, no power, and four doors.

Sure it's a marking thing...

Road & Track clocked the old Porsche 911 GT2 RS at 75.9mph in the slalom. Sure a good slug of that comes down to comic book esque super tires but the laws of physics are still laws of physics

At some point those laws become the limiting factor in performance

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Brake size has NOTHING to do with how well a car stops.

It would effect how much thermal capacity the rotors can take thus affecting overall braking performance? Please correct me if I'm wrong

Again... I said an properly set up FRS could out brake a GT3 if it had good cooling and properly set up brake package.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why would a turbo BRZ grenade? Isn't it logical to upgrade cooling if you upgrade power?

Theres only so much cooling you can do to an FRS before you have to attack the body with an axe for venting. No sarcasm aside whats the longest someones tracked a Turbo FRS?

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

GT3 RS brake rotors are 1700 a set.

For the factory steelies yes, the PCCB are 10k for the fronts and 9k for the rears, granted the rotors are supposed to last 100k miles or something insane like that

[CSG Mike]

I'm gonna let you think about all the times you've contradicted yourself in that last post; that's what happens when you're bench racing.

Remember, 100% of what you just posted, is from what you've read; I'd put money you have zero experience with a GT3 or GT2. Have you ever even set foot on track with your own FRS or BRZ? Have you ever put aftermarket forced induction on a car, or have upgraded the brakes with a BBK?

[campy]

Hahahaha this is such a stereotypical ft86club thread.

[LOLS2K]

Oh boy, here we go...

[Pat]

I just don't see how anyone can seriously compare the two cars. There is a reason the Porsche costs eight (?) times as much. It's because it's eight times the overall car.
If you want to compare 0-60 times, fine. Go for it. But that tells about 3% of what the GT3 is all about.

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by Pat

I just don't see how anyone can seriously compare the two cars.

I can. Bench racing is real

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm gonna let you think about all the times you've contradicted yourself in that last post; that's what happens when you're bench racing.

Remember, 100% of what you just posted, is from what you've read; I'd put money you have zero experience with a GT3 or GT2. Have you ever even set foot on track with your own FRS or BRZ? Have you ever put aftermarket forced induction on a car, or have upgraded the brakes with a BBK?

Correct

Noooooo, I don't have rich friends -.-

Don't own a BRZ or FRS but, have driven them enough

I've always had turbo charged cars, never needed to

Yes I've upgraded brakes to BBK before

Again I'm always wiling to learn, I'm well aware you know your shit. So again I'm all ears for education

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Pat

I just don't see how anyone can seriously compare the two cars. There is a reason the Porsche costs eight (?) times as much. It's because it's eight times the overall car.
If you want to compare 0-60 times, fine. Go for it. But that tells about 3% of what the GT3 is all about.

One of my friends stopped by the drag strip at Palmdale on his way home from a track day, and they asked him if he was at the right track...

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

but this reeks of bench racing.

Originally Posted by LOLS2K

Bench racing is real

Unless the benches are being driven by the same driver on the same day at the same track these comparisons are kind of pointless. Look at these two benches; different tyres to start with. One is a modern design, the other a more classic. One obviously has better brakes than the other. I'm guessing it would all come down to the beer being consumed at the time.