Toyota S-FR Concept!! - Page 19 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

ichitaka05 · 10-08-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fang_gt86

Downsize that front-end grill and I'm sold.

Really? That's my fav part!

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know it is a smaller car but think that lump in the middle of the hood will rule out a boxer. Unless of course they need to fit something else there...

Or... They might be messing w us. I'm just saying. Engine part, I have no clue on. But you might be surprised when we get more detail info

MisterSheep · 10-08-2015, 04:10 PM

Anyone else see a angry toddler with a binky in it's mouth?

fang_gt86 · 10-08-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Really? That's my fav part!

It'll be a nightmare trying to clean bug-splash off those grill. It's bad enough on my FRS after a a few days on open country roads. The good thing is you don't have to worry about paint chip lol

strat61caster · 10-08-2015, 04:18 PM

Well I'll be damned, never thought it would happen, fingers crossed on a US debut and a Honda S660 head to head in this country.

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Thing that grasp my head around is it's gonna be bout same size as ND Miata (prob less than 90mm bigger)...

Longer wheelbase than Miata according to car and driver by a good 7" (~175mm):

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A wheelbase of 97.6 inches puts the S-FR about midway between Toyota’s current compact rear-drive sports coupe, the Scion FR-S (101.2 inches), and the Mazda Miata (90.9 inches).

http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota-...ve-sign-us-up/

Which is disappointing but is only a small piece of the puzzle.

ichitaka05 · 10-08-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fang_gt86

It'll be a nightmare trying to clean bug-splash off those grill. It's bad enough on my FRS after a a few days on open country roads. The good thing is you don't have to worry about paint chip lol

I have BRZ, so don't have that issue lol

It kinda reminds me of chibi Aston Martin (I've purposely used 'chibi' instead of 'mini' lol). Think bout it. British Green SFR... squint your eyes a bit and darken your room, maybe you might see it. lol

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

Well I'll be damned, never thought it would happen, fingers crossed on a US debut and a Honda S660 head to head in this country.

Longer wheelbase than Miata according to car and driver by a good 7" (~175mm):

http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota-...ve-sign-us-up/

Which is disappointing but is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Thanks for the info.

Found more info

strat61caster · 10-08-2015, 04:21 PM

I blew the whole quote which is 3" longer than the Miata overall so you're right with the 90mm claim.

Edit: And 4 person occupancy, that explains it, will be interesting...

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A wheelbase of 97.6 inches puts the S-FR about midway between Toyota’s current compact rear-drive sports coupe, the Scion FR-S (101.2 inches), and the Mazda Miata (90.9 inches). So, too, does the concept’s overall length of 157 inches, which is 10 inches shorter than the FR-S and three inches longer than the Mazda. At 66.7 inches wide, the Toyota is narrower than both cars, and it’s also taller, at 52 inches.

Sideways&Smiling · 10-08-2015, 04:27 PM

Wheelbase is almost the same as an S13 240sx/Silvia, FWIW. About 0.2 inches longer .

Rampage · 10-08-2015, 04:37 PM

I definitely see the Sports 800 influence. At 2160Lbs that 130HP should get the car around pretty well although, as evidenced by this thread already, the moar powa crowd will be howling. They will not put a 2.0L in it because at that weight a 150+ HP S-FR would murder a FR-S.

Sideways&Smiling · 10-08-2015, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Well I'll be damned, never thought it would happen, fingers crossed on a US debut and a Honda S660 head to head in this country.

Longer wheelbase than Miata according to car and driver by a good 7" (~175mm):

http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyota-...ve-sign-us-up/

Which is disappointing but is only a small piece of the puzzle.

What's disappointing is the 130hp 1.5L engine...

...and the looks. lol

I don't think this thing is going to have as good of a suspension design as a Miata. It's just going to be a low cost option.

Sideways&Smiling · 10-08-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rampage

I definitely see the Sports 800 influence. At 2160Lbs that 130HP should get the car around pretty well although, as evidenced by this thread already, the moar powa crowd will be howling. They will not put a 2.0L in it because at that weight a 150+ HP S-FR would murder a FR-S.

It will probably end up being a popular car for engine swaps due to cost, size, and weight.

Sideways&Smiling · 10-08-2015, 04:50 PM

gt8613 · 10-08-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratter

this is what Toyota needs, a small two seater! i would rather see a mid engine two seater like with the MR2, but baggers can't be choosers :p

back to the concept, I like the size and the fact that it is RWD but Toyota needs to do something with that front end...

S-Fr is a 2+2

strat61caster · 10-08-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

What's disappointing is the 130hp 1.5L engine...

...and the looks. lol

I don't think this thing is going to have as good of a suspension design as a Miata. It's just going to be a low cost option.

Engine should be fine for the weight (lighter than the 1.5L ND Miata with the same amount of power) and if it's a turbo like some speculate there will be more than 130 on tap for those who want it. A <2,200 lb curb weight with RWD, fixed roof, and CHEAPER than an FR-S is very exciting.

Power is cheap compared to weight reduction.

I think you're right on the suspension though, the only business case that makes sense over here is a small cheap high mpg city car, start tallying up all the things this does and the money disappears mighty quick.

Sideways&Smiling · 10-08-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

Engine should be fine for the weight (lighter than the 1.5L ND Miata with the same amount of power) and if it's a turbo like some speculate there will be more than 130 on tap for those who want it. A <2,200 lb curb weight with RWD, fixed roof, and CHEAPER than an FR-S is very exciting.

Power is cheap compared to weight reduction.

I think you're right on the suspension though, the only business case that makes sense over here is a small cheap high mpg city car, start tallying up all the things this does and the money disappears mighty quick.

We'll have to see how they deliver on cost and weight when it goes to production. We all know the FR-S didn't hit the targets they initially proposed.

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10-08-2015, 04:37 PM	#260
Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I definitely see the Sports 800 influence. At 2160Lbs that 130HP should get the car around pretty well although, as evidenced by this thread already, the moar powa crowd will be howling. They will not put a 2.0L in it because at that weight a 150+ HP S-FR would murder a FR-S. __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

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10-08-2015, 04:21 PM	#258
strat61caster - Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: '13 FRS - STX Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 10,384 Thanks: 13,790 Thanked 9,502 Times in 5,013 Posts Mentioned: 94 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	I blew the whole quote which is 3" longer than the Miata overall so you're right with the 90mm claim. Edit: And 4 person occupancy, that explains it, will be interesting... Quote: A wheelbase of 97.6 inches puts the S-FR about midway between Toyota’s current compact rear-drive sports coupe, the Scion FR-S (101.2 inches), and the Mazda Miata (90.9 inches). So, too, does the concept’s overall length of 157 inches, which is 10 inches shorter than the FR-S and three inches longer than the Mazda. At 66.7 inches wide, the Toyota is narrower than both cars, and it’s also taller, at 52 inches.

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