New Mazda RX Vision concept

[Sideways]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

But will it pass emissions lol.

Maybe then can learn from vw's mistakes and come up with a better and well hidden software...

[Hen3ry]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

Such a hopeful outlook haha.

Its either nsx/ft1 beater or 86 competitor. There's no way it'll be FWD not with those body lines and long hood base, plus they already have the mazda speed3.

I'm hoping its the latter as it'll be a car I can afford.

That's a pretty big performance gap between an nsx-fighter and 86 competitor. i mean nsx is going to be supercar territory.
I'd love to see it slot in to compete with the m4 / cayman (without the luxury price) but I don't know how realistic that would be. The 300+ hp / 2700lbs figures people are hoping for might do the trick.
An 86 competitor would be nice for the price, but usually at that price point, there are always compromises. I wouldn't mind if it were a bit more expensive. Something a little less boy-racer/ barebones / cheap materials would be nice to see. Besides the Miata is right in the 86's price range anyway.

The other thing will be how well it responds to mods. If I recall, with the Renesis, bolt-ons made little-to-no power and it didn't take well to boost.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. We don't even know what kind of engine it will have.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Hen3ry

The other thing will be how well it responds to mods. If I recall, with the Renesis, bolt-ons made little-to-no power and it didn't take well to boost.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. We don't even know what kind of engine it will have.

Most of us are keen on engine possibilities, even if it's just an ND coupe with the same 2.0L it will likely get some interest. A potential speed3 engine or rotary would be worth getting excited over

Hah, maybe they're totally screwing with us and this is the power retracting hardtop ND or a hypothetical replacement. Outline is vaguely Z4 Coupe like...

[Teseo]

I can see myself swapping a rotary engine in this new chasis if mazda did not decided to make it

[akyp]

Doesn't look like a ND derivative to me as it's missing the characteristic front fender bulge. I can be totally off the mark though.

[reni]

Also, Mazda, please please please could you not make the front of the car look like a catfish.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by reni

Also, Mazda, please please please could you not make the front of the car look like a catfish.

[Vracer111]

Proportions look off for a 'new RX-7'...hood way too long - like it's trying to be a Cheetah or something...

[GhostRai]

Oh Autoblog...
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/16/m...concept-tokyo/

[WolfpackS2k]

Unless it has a rotary engine it won't be called RX-anything. RX is reserved for rotary powered vehicles only.

There's definitely a niche in the auto market for a 300 hp 2800 lb car for $30-35k. Esp if it's a 2+2. There's literally nothing else for sale that fits that description.


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[RandomDeception]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

There's definitely a niche in the auto market for a 300 hp 2800 lb car for $30-35k. Esp if it's a 2+2. There's literally nothing else for sale that fits that description.

Hey. Maybe it will be a Corvette beater like the RX-7 FD was back in the day.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Unless it has a rotary engine it won't be called RX-anything. RX is reserved for rotary powered vehicles only.

There's definitely a niche in the auto market for a 300 hp 2800 lb car for $30-35k. Esp if it's a 2+2. There's literally nothing else for sale that fits that description.


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There's probably also a niche for a 600hp 2000lb car for $15k dollars....

I think the reason there's no cars that fit your description is that it is basically impossible to do and pass modern US crash standards, emissions, and reliability.

All the 250+ tq fr cars come in at 3200ish minimum regardless of price, even w one off chassis.

The only way to get close is Mr or rr, which have their own problems, and can't get close to $30k

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by RandomDeception

Hey. Maybe it will be a Corvette beater like the RX-7 FD was back in the day.

Corvette beater for Corvette prices without Corvette reliability. Sounds like a winning formula, although the C7 Z06 does lower the bar on the last part...

While some are hoping for a new FD, many many more would actually buy a new FB/FC. All depends on what's actually viable in the market.

The FB/FC were Porsche 924/944 killers at half price, given Porsche's current entry level sports cars (Cayman/Boxster) are around $60k and can give the FD a run for it's money, a modern spiritual FB/FC would land around $30k (both in terms of the 1/2 Porsche and inflation adjusted) and very similar performance to the FD, maybe a little less power due to emissions. ~275 real crank hp, ~2,800 lbs, ~$30k, not quite as fast in a straight line as it's direct competition 370Z, STI, Mustang GT, Camaro SS but handling to rival the Cayman/Boxster and most of the power with a weight advantage. Actually fits quite nicely in the current landscape as you could always argue for a supercharged 86 against this hypothetical RX.

A hypothetical FD would be Corvette and 911 priced at $60k+ with the performance to boot, an awesome package but one I would have to wait a long time to own.

1979 Sports Car review:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...erformance.pdf

Top Gear 924/FC
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLL54aB74U"]Top Gear RX-7 vs 924 - YouTube[/ame]



Can't find the 944/FC comparison

[STZ]

Originally Posted by totopo

There's probably also a niche for a 600hp 2000lb car for $15k dollars....

I think the reason there's no cars that fit your description is that it is basically impossible to do and pass modern US crash standards, emissions, and reliability.

All the 250+ tq fr cars come in at 3200ish minimum regardless of price, even w one off chassis.

The only way to get close is Mr or rr, which have their own problems, and can't get close to $30k

I don't think it's an unreasonable request like a 600hp 2000lb car for $15k dollars is.

The 370Z is in the price range, but has a more powerful engine and is heavier. What he wanted is probably a weaker engine which is cheaper combined with a lighter body which is more expensive. I completely agree with him; if there was a car in the ~35k range with ~280hp and ~250tq and is still considered light, I would get that over the twins.