Porsche 991 GT3

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

It's an oversized evo.

Wow for once I agree with Mike!

I many ways the GTR is the complete opposite what the 86 is trying to be, in that has more driving aids than a space craft on auto pilot.

The GT3 is a weapon though. People gave me all kind of shit about "should have bought a cayman" blah blah when I got my GT86 but I always respond with the only thing i'd consider chopping the GT86 for is a GT3.

Reportedly the Cayman GT4 is only 2 seconds slower around the nurburgring than the 997 GT3

Finally, the 997 GT3 doesnt have suspension in the same league as Penske or Ohlins TTX. Everything but the 997 GT3 RS you can get the Ohlins road and track DFV as a decent upgrade. You can also get the TTX36/46 but its like $10k.

[humdizzle]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

It's an oversized evo.

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

My best friend makes the same face when he hears those comments.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

Do you disagree?

[humdizzle]

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

lol it is a heavy beast no doubt. but the lap times dont lie.

A GT4 would be more fun though. Thats why I have a GTR and an 86. One for crushing people's dreams on backroads or straights. And the other for pure fun and drifting around in.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

it is a heavy beast no doubt. but the lap times dont lie.

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When watching cars at track days I see "classifications" of speed. There is slow, quick, there is fast, there is the crazy fast, then there are the race cars. I have only seen a GTR once at the local track; it was being driven. It fell into the crazy fast category. But the thing that gets me a little is that the car is being partly controlled by the software. It used to be that if a super car was being poorly driven it would chew you up and spit you out. Now days the software allows ordinary drivers to drive quickly. It does not make the cars fool-proof but it makes them more accessible to more drivers. This is a great thing for egos but some of the credit for going fast has to go to the people writing the software.

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[ajc209]

Tru Dat

[humdizzle]

yeah damn those computers, paddle shifters, traction settings, and ABS brakes... pretty much standard in every supercar now. making everyone feel all safe. Back in my day.. lol

its a gift and a curse. The GTR is an everyday supercar. I've driven hard on my local backroads when it was 20 degree out and I had the MPSS on. I've been caught on out in 2 inches of snow on the oem potenzas. No issues. Rain isn't a problem with spirited runs either. Had i bought a viper/z06 i could only use it half as often.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by humdizzle

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

lol it is a heavy beast no doubt. but the lap times dont lie.

A GT4 would be more fun though. Thats why I have a GTR and an 86. One for crushing people's dreams on backroads or straights. And the other for pure fun and drifting around in.

That's a very GTR owner statement of you, with which I always rebuttle: I don't care what lap times a car turns with someone else at the wheel; I care what lap times an owner turns in their own car. You can only crush people's hopes and dreams if you actually can run that time yourself. Saying that XYZ driver did ABC lap time at a track doesn't change the result of a gutted civic dusting a GTR at the canyon...

Bench racing only results in internet arguments.

For example, lets use Willow Springs.

Originally Posted by http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

14 Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS) Randy Pobst 1:30.48 550 / 1736
15 Nissan GT-R (R35) Steve Millen 1:31.23 480 / 1740

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4Sa3RCCV4"]Willow Springs International Raceway BRZ/FRS/GT86 lap record 1:30.778 - YouTube[/ame]

I left a TON of time on the table in that lap...



Why not drive the Viper/Z06/whatever other car as much as the GTR? I agree that the GTR is way, way easier to drive for the average person, but the weight is a huge killer...

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's a very GTR owner statement of you, with which I always rebuttle: I don't care what lap times a car turns with someone else at the wheel; I care what lap times an owner turns in their own car. You can only crush people's hopes and dreams if you actually can run that time yourself. Saying that XYZ driver did ABC lap time at a track doesn't change the result of a gutted civic dusting a GTR at the canyon...

Bench racing only results in internet arguments.

For example, lets use Willow Springs.

I left a TON of time on the table in that lap...



Why not drive the Viper/Z06/whatever other car as much as the GTR? I agree that the GTR is way, way easier to drive for the average person, but the weight is a huge killer...

Why don't they build an "ultralight" gtr? That's what I don't get. I would think you'd be able to gut it and get it down below 3400 lbs.


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[ZionsWrath]

I only seen one gtr at the track in group one. Guy was standing on the throttle all day.car was all over the place but you could see the computer working it out. I just let him pass every session on warm up lap and he never caught me by the end of session. He even ask in the classroom if people could give him point by when the checker came out. But hey car sounds good and goes fast. Wouldn't mind having a go in it.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Why don't they build an "ultralight" gtr? That's what I don't get. I would think you'd be able to gut it and get it down below 3400 lbs.


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Because then it would be the price of a Huracan...

The Nismo is already 150k, and it's a whopping 37lbs lighter than the base model.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Why don't they build an "ultralight" gtr?

I have huge respect for the GTR. Its performance/price ratio puts a lot of European super cars to shame. (The fact that it has zero appeal to me is irrelevant.) The one thing that gets me a little is the father of the GTR , Kazutoshi Mizuno, maintains that more mass is advantageous. Now, I am just a forum punter. Mizuno-san is an engineering guru but I can't but help thinking that he is required to maintain this posture to give credence to the GTR's weight.
My thoughts:
1/ Higher mass make suspension tuning "easier"
2/ Mizuno-san says that high mass allows tyres to have better grip.
3/ By maintaining this posture?, charade? this point of view? there are no forum punters who have the credibility to dismiss Mizuno-san's claim.
4/ Maybe there is advantage to higher mass but it goes against all my criteria for a car.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nGiZKQmODA"]PistonHeads Interviews Kazutoshi Mizuno - Question 1 - YouTube[/ame]

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's a very GTR owner statement of you, with which I always rebuttle: I don't care what lap times a car turns with someone else at the wheel; I care what lap times an owner turns in their own car. You can only crush people's hopes and dreams if you actually can run that time yourself. Saying that XYZ driver did ABC lap time at a track doesn't change the result of a gutted civic dusting a GTR at the canyon...

Bench racing only results in internet arguments.

For example, lets use Willow Springs.

I left a TON of time on the table in that lap...



Why not drive the Viper/Z06/whatever other car as much as the GTR? I agree that the GTR is way, way easier to drive for the average person, but the weight is a huge killer...

See as much as I think you can be arrogant, at least you have the skills and expereience to back it up!
Thats a lap and a half. What mods did the car have? I see the massive wing, front lip and AP sprint. I assume slicks?