I think my FR-S was "profiled" by a WSP ......

[Storm_Trooper]

No I don't think you were profiled I think you were speeding.

But lol if the trooper really said he "clocked" you. Last I checked there's not a single clock anywhere inside a RADAR unit.


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[Storm_Trooper]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

That's not all that high-tech, and it's been around for a long time. Some of the radar units connect to the police vehicle's speedometer and adjust the speed displayed on the radar accordingly. It's one of the reasons police speedometers have to be checked and calibrated periodically.

You can do the math in your head pretty easily. If you're traveling 50 mph toward a car that is traveling 50 mph toward you, a stationary radar in your car would read 100 mph based on the doppler effect alone. Then you just subtract out your speed (50 mph) to see that the other guy was going 50 mph. It doesn't take a supercomputer to calculate this on the fly if the radar is fed the police vehicle's speed from the speedometer.

There is also a type of motion radar that receives multiple readings on the object in motion relative to its surroundings and adjusts accordingly. But you don't really need that to get an accurate speed if you're feeding it the speedometer data.

In some states the cop doesn't even have to clock your speed. In shitty Texas, for example, a state trooper can stand in court and say that in his expert opinion, he visually judged your speed to be 80 mph. Because the courts in shithole Texas recognize sworn law enforcement officers as speed experts, and because they are presumed by the law to be telling the truth even when they make shit up, the cop's testimony that you were speeding will be accepted as solid evidence of your guilt unless you have some evidence to directly contradict it. So that means that a cop could actually just look at your car and say you were speeding, without having to have any technology at all.

I've been laughing at all these cops boohooing on the news about this bogus "war" that has been declared on them. If it's a war, they declared it long ago and have been winning it for decades.

I really don't feel like responding to all the statements ITT that may be a little off base but I'll respond to this one.

For police to be certified to use radar they have to be able to visually estimate speeds with a (I believe) 3mph margin of error. They are tested on this on real roads and if they don't pass they are not certified to operate radar.




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[pinski]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yes, I believe my FR-S was “profiled” by a Washington State Patrolman.

Here is my story, what do you think .. ??

While on our way, for a short three day get-a-way over to the coast of Oregon, we were cruising down Highway 101, in southern Washington. It was a bright, sunny day, very little traffic, on a dry, straight stretch of road, out in the country (see map).

I noticed a large, white vehicle coming from the other direction when, all of a sudden, the vehicle's grill lit up like a slot machine in Vegas that had just hit the jackpot. At the same time my radar detector started squawking and mrs humfrz started squawking.

As I looked in the rear view mirror, I saw that the patrol vehicle was quickly turning around and coming my way …. real fast. I was hoping he was after a bad boy on up the road. Nope the bad boy he was after was ME. My first thought was to open up the boost on my turbocharger and hit the NOS button to see if I could beat him to the Oregon state line. Then I realized, that I did not have a turbocharger nor NOS, so I pulled over.

I was sitting there with my window down, my hands high on the steering wheel, in my brown, checkered, flannel shirt, looking old and harmless. His first words were “I’m informing you that you are being video and audio recorded”. I looked around for the TV crew, thinking I was going to be on an episode of “Bad Boys”, but didn’t see anybody.

His next statements were “you were going just a little bit too fast back there in your HOT ROD car”. I clocked you going 68 MPH in a 55 MPH zone.”

Right then, after his “hot rod” comment, I figured a “warning” was out of the picture. After I handed over the requested paperwork, he returned with a ticket for $125.

Now, my contention is that, if I were driving something like a Buick, I wouldn’t have gotten pulled over nor would I have been given a ticket.

What do ya’ll think …. ?? Was my FR-S “profiled” …. ??

Have you had an incidence where you felt your FR-S/BRZ was profiled by law enforcement … ??


humfrz

Same thing happened to me in South Carolina. Was on a 65mph divided highway, pass a trooper going the other way. Didn't light up or anything, so I figure I'm in the clear. A good, solid 10 minutes later, after I get passed by other traffic (clearly I'm not the fastest on the road) he cuts off the truck behind me to light me up.

Says he clocked me at 80 in a 65. We all have big digital speedos and the highest I saw on mine wasn't even close to 80. Acts like he's doing me a favor by writing it for 74 in a 65. I'm out of state, so I just pay the small fine and move on. Definitely felt profiled though. He didn't care about the truck going the same speed or the Toyota sedan that flew past me. Whatever.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Storm_Trooper

For police to be certified to use radar they have to be able to visually estimate speeds with a (I believe) 3mph margin of error. They are tested on this on real roads and if they don't pass they are not certified to operate radar.

There may be a jurisdiction that has that requirement, but that's certainly not true of all of them. It took me no time at all to find a thread on officer.com where several cops discussed how they just had to be familiar with the equipment to use radar. There's also a federal court case discussed here that describes a visual estimation test that only requires the cop to be within 12 mph. At 60 mph, that's a 20% allowable error, which is ridiculous.

But all that is beside the point. The problem is that allowing a cop to fine you based on his perception of your speed means a corrupt cop can stand in court and say anything he wants, whether it's actually true or not, and the court will accept it because you are presumed guilty unless you can prove your innocence. If I'm going 71 mph in a 75 zone, the cop can simply say I was going 85 mph, and I'll be convicted of the offense with no physical or objective evidence whatsoever. It really doesn't matter whether he can accurately estimate speed in a test situation. The cop has an incentive to lie in real world situations, and there's nothing in place to keep a corrupt cop in check.

Up to the mid-1700s, there was a presumption of guilt in English common law. Accusers were paid for their testimony, and it was common for professional accusers to have innocent people arrested in order to get paid. If you were accused, you had to prove your innocence or go to jail (or worse). The concept of a presumption of innocence was introduced in 1784, and after that courts began making the prosecution actually prove its case. In the US, we liked the idea so much that we enshrined it in our criminal process.

But not in traffic court. What we have with these speed "experts" is a Georgian-era legal process in which paid accusers can say anything they want to get a conviction, throwing out any presumption of innocence. You're speeding because the cop says so.

Furthermore, police in the United States are trained to lie for the greater good. With the US being such a litigious society, the report writing courses in the police academies in this country teach cops how to present "facts" in such a way as to reduce liability for their departments. If force was necessary to subdue someone, the cops are trained to claim that the person was resisting arrest or assaulted the officer, when we now see video after video contradicting their account.

A great example is the "don't tase me bro" guy. Three of the cops in that incident stated in their reports that Andrew Meyer kicked them and spit on them, when the video of the incident clearly showed he didn't. That was a situation where the use of the taser was completely justified, just based on his disruption of the meeting and refusal to leave. Yet they lied on their reports exactly as they had been trained to do in order to avoid legal liability if he tried to sue them for excessive force.

So not only do we have a 1700s legal system in traffic court with paid accusers whose word is accepted unchallenged, but those accusers are also trained to lie and operate in an environment where lying about the accused is an accepted practice "for the greater good" of not getting the department sued.

It's no wonder there's so much police corruption being captured on camera now.

It's no wonder that people have negative feelings toward police.

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by Storm_Trooper

No I don't think you were profiled I think you were speeding.

But lol if the trooper really said he "clocked" you. Last I checked there's not a single clock anywhere inside a RADAR unit.

Last I checked, "clock" as a verb meant to "attain or register (a specified time, distance, or speed)".

Here, lmgtfy

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Storm_Trooper

No I don't think you were profiled I think you were speeding.

But lol if the trooper really said he "clocked" you. Last I checked there's not a single clock anywhere inside a RADAR unit.


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Yep, I was speeding ......

However, since the FR-S, from the front, looks like it's going about 40 MPH, when it's standing still, I still think that's why he flipped his radar on me .....

Since the trooper looked to be almost as old as I am, he used the old school term "clocked" ...... and me, being old school, knew very well what he meant .....


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yep, I was speeding ......

However, since the FR-S, from the front, looks like it's going about 40 MPH, when it's standing still, I still think that's why he flipped his radar on me .....

Since the trooper looked to be almost as old as I am, he used the old school term "clocked" ...... and me, being old school, knew very well what he meant .....


humfrz

Good thing it wasn't the really old school definition of "clocked"

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by humfrz

However, since the FR-S, from the front, looks like it's going about 40 MPH, when it's standing still, I still think that's why he flipped his radar on me .....

This is another good point. When those speed "experts" have their ability to judge speed tested, what vehicles are used? I suspect they aren't sports cars that look faster than police cruisers.

I've had several incidents where cops have hit me with radar or laser, looked at the readout and hit me again because they couldn't believe I was going the speed limit. I suspect that in real world situations, they're nowhere near as accurate as they pretend to be to fool a judge.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Radar detectors are illegal here.
They even have radar detector detectors so if you wanted to use one you would need a radar detector detector detector to detect their detector detector before they detected your detector.

Tcoat all you need is an radar detector that is invisible to specter(anti radar detector) Beltronics magnum sti is one of them... youre also lucky if ever you do get caught in ON its only 180$ ticket or something over here (Quebecistan) its around 700$ (plus I think they tow the car). So you not only have to get one that is undetectable over here you also have to hide it and possibly have it on a quick disconnect

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Where do I sign up?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Tcoat all you need is an radar detector that is invisible to specter(anti radar detector) Beltronics magnum sti is one of them... youre also lucky if ever you do get caught in ON its only 180$ ticket or something over here (Quebecistan) its around 700$ (plus I think they tow the car). So you not only have to get one that is undetectable over here you also have to hide it and possibly have it on a quick disconnect

Oh god don't make me add more levels of detector detectors to my list.


Depends on how much over you are going so could be $180, $500 or $10,000




1-19 km/h The amount of km over times $2.50 = fine
20-29 km/h The amount of km over times $3.75 = fine
30-49 km/h The amount of km over times $6.00 = fine
50 km/h+ (speeding) The amount over times $9.75 times $1.25 = fine
50+km/hr (Stunt Driving / Racing) fine amount can range from $2,000 - $10,000
All prices + a 20% victim surcharge

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

This is another good point. When those speed "experts" have their ability to judge speed tested, what vehicles are used? I suspect they aren't sports cars that look faster than police cruisers.

I've had several incidents where cops have hit me with radar or laser, looked at the readout and hit me again because they couldn't believe I was going the speed limit. I suspect that in real world situations, they're nowhere near as accurate as they pretend to be to fool a judge.

Hey Extra, how slow were you going to be able to see them hit you look at the gun and hit you again? And how on earth do you possibly know that they didn't believe you were going the limit?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

..............

1-19 km/h The amount of km over times $2.50 = fine
20-29 km/h The amount of km over times $3.75 = fine
30-49 km/h The amount of km over times $6.00 = fine
50 km/h+ (speeding) The amount over times $9.75 times $1.25 = fine
50+km/hr (Stunt Driving / Racing) fine amount can range from $2,000 - $10,000
All prices + a 20% victim surcharge

What the heck is a "victim surcharge"......... ?? ..........

Never mind .... I looked it up ...... YIKES ....how convoluted .....


humfrz

[fumanchu1]

Think I didn't word myself properly, I meant for being caught with a radar detector. Fines for possession of a radar detector borders 700$ in QC, that's not counting the speeding ticket on top of that if you are actually caught speeding.