Getting an FR-S

[WNDSRFR]

Check this out:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719


It's a long read but it's just what you need.

[Akya2120]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

*It's coming with the TRD springs, sway bars, brake pads, quick shifter, and muffler.*

Seriously if that's what is coming straight from the factory drive the car for the break in period +500 miles at least 1500-2000 miles see what you like and don't like and mod accordingly. You said yourself you're new to this particular aftermarket so at least look up reviews for each of the parts you are even thinking about. Also I can personally vouch for OFT I love not having to go out and pay for new tunes each time I add a mod or for a latest feature.

I'll probably wait until after the thousand mile point, get a magnetic drain plug for the engine, and change the engine, trans, and diff fluid. Then I will buy some parts, but that's not going to be for about 2-3 months with the amount I drive (unless I am really itching to get it broken in, then maybe I will just go for some adventures.) My goal is to by then know what fluids and parts I want to pull the trigger on (and what people recommend.) I have been looking at reviews, build logs, et cetera, which is how I came to the parts I had chosen already. All that may change over the course of the next 4 months though haha. My brother has always been an advocate of Royal Purple but I see a lot of people recommending motul here.

As for the the tuning software, OFT sounds nice. I have seen that ECUtek flashes are kind of pricey so I could see how that would add up quick if I am wanting to optimize every time I get a part. I will look into both of them further. Also a friend of mine co-owns Tri-Point Engineering, I am guessing he could help me out in this deparment (unfortunately they are like 1,200 miles from me currently, but I'll be down there soon enough.)

Thanks for the experience!

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Check this out:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719


It's a long read but it's just what you need.

I looked at this. I don't like that it requires extra batteries, that it is essentially high/low boost only, that it isn't inter-cooled, and that it can only be run in stints. I think utilizing exhaust gases makes way more sense. A proper turbo kit would be brilliant on this car but I am not sure if I want to deal with the hassles of FI. I thought about the Cosworth SC kit, the Works kit (mainly for the CARB sticker but the kit has it's drawbacks,) and the AVO stage 1. Really though I want to maintain the reliability of the car and I am concerned that getting into FI will make that a little harder without doing some engine work. At this point it's more than I am willing to consider doing to the car, but maybe in 3-4 years that will change.



More pipe dreams: I think making a variable vane kit would be awesome for this car (probably most cars,) but that would be a lot of work. I was recently offered a job at TPE, which I am seriously debating taking, it would be a great opportunity for me to implement many of my ideas. Unfortunately(?) the first one I would design would likely be for a 13b. But, I would probably try to make the electronics pretty generic. That way the system could be implemented on different platforms by making different manifolds, intake plumbing, and tapping into different sensors.

Thanks y'all!

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Akya2120

I'll probably wait............

Thanks y'all!

Yep, I think you need to do some more research .......


humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

It's always good to talk these things through. We're here to help.

[ninedice]

It's not impossible to get 40mpg. Engineering Explained did close on his test course.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ninedice

It's not impossible to get 40mpg. Engineering Explained did close on his test course.

Well, at least ...... that's what the car said it got ......


humfrz

[ninedice]

Mine has been surprisingly accurate at 22.1 MPG.

[Akya2120]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yep, I think you need to do some more research .......


humfrz

Yes, I found what I'm interested in doing. Now I'm curious what other people think, because I know there is someone here who has the same parts, or knows of better ones (and will tell me why.)

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

It's always good to talk these things through. We're here to help.

And this is why I'm here thanks!

Originally Posted by ninedice

It's not impossible to get 40mpg. Engineering Explained did close on his test course.

Good to know, but getting those numbers in daily conditions would probably prove difficult. Out of curiousity, how much did he do to the car to get those results?

[ninedice]

Originally Posted by Akya2120

Good to know, but getting those numbers in daily conditions would probably prove difficult. Out of curiousity, how much did he do to the car to get those results?

He says his course is around 53 miles, mostly highway with some city and hills mixed in. The car was stock for his test.

Here is his auto frs review (40.6 mpg by the way). [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKb2rXQoR8"]2015 Scion FR-S - Review & Test Drive - YouTube[/ame]

The manual brz got 38.1 mpg
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E69uyew8KtE"]2015 Subaru BRZ Series.Blue - Review & Test Drive - YouTube[/ame]

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ninedice

Mine has been surprisingly accurate at 22.1 MPG.

Interesting. I've long ago given up on mine.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by Akya2120

...I am not exactly sure how I want to go about it. It's coming with the TRD springs, sway bars, brake pads, quick shifter, and muffler.

Wait till you get it and know you want to keep it. IMO buying a twin with the intention of making it fast, should not be your first reason to buy it.

This is my short term plan. Keep it minimal for about the first three years. I'm thinking GrimmSpeed intake, ECUtek reflash, Subaru radiator/oil heat exchanger, and some general chassis stiffening stuff. Maybe changing the thermostat, but I live in Washington and it's rarely super hot out.

Quesiton about this^. Should I wait until after the break in period is over to reflash, or does it not really matter?

As techy's here have stated wait till the break in period. That way your engine will deform/mold into your driving attitude and habits. Many say 1k, I was raised with old cars and the belief that 10k is more like it. I wait until 2.5k personally.

...turbo, making about 200-230 WHP and trying to tune it so that I get great fuel economy.

e85 and a good tune, exhaust, pulley, intake, header...etc w/o turbo might get you near there.

Frankly I would love to see this car hit a MPG of 40-50. It'd be nice to show the world that a car can be fun, and economical. Not sure what exactly would be required to do this, or if something like that is even possible.

Sure, it's possible. Do what a few old Mustang fans are doing down here and add in electric batteries or find a diesel set up... lol 40mpg on straightaways with 60mph, no extra weight is possible! I've hit that on 300mile trips. I don't even think you'd hit 25mpg in town with a turbo. Some argue that you get +3 or so mpg but I don't agree. Maybe in an auto. Past 45mpg I highly doubt you can, but there is a funny picture on the forums where someone reset their mpg and drove downhill and took a pic of the mpg reading at 120mpg+, so if you just drive down hill, you can achieve this!

I looked around to see if anyone was trying to do an economy build but didn't really find anything. Mainly just people talking about what kind of mileage they are getting after they did their build.

Thanks for reading!

The twins are not an econo-box. I wish they'd hit 30mpg in town and 40 in HWY at hwy speeds, but they don't. Again, dont buy the twin as a mpg/hp tune machine for DD. If you want hp and mpg, imo there's the mustangs (eco boost?) and Fiesta (?). I'm not a fan, but they do have a a tad more mpg/hp. Ours are mini go-karts with a big heart. Driving is majestic and I've yet to become bored of it.

Try the tech forums here and you might learn a bit more whether you want a car like the FRS or really want the FRS. Don't forget, the FRS is like the trim level of the twins. In WA it gets so cold your nuts can stick to stuff, so you might like the BRZ with seat warmers more, and later do cosmetic mods to flip some of it to look like the FRS.

P.s. remember too, 12.5:1 compression for this engine is tad high for FI. That's whats stopping me from S/C or Turbo. Many have successfully done it, though.

Originally Posted by ninedice

He says his course is around 53 miles, mostly highway with some city and hills mixed in. The car was stock for his test.

Here is his auto frs review (40.6 mpg by the way).

The manual brz got 38.1 mpg

That's not 100% exact imo if only based on one car reading, and the car's reading at that. When I factored my driving from Monterey to LA (634 mile round-trip x 5 trips I took in one month), I had my FRS 6mt stating 42.3 MPG as avg (driving to LA, and returning was like 36) (no traffic driving at midnight-4am ish), but when I checked on multiple mpg sites like fuelly, it was more like 38. Also based on the gas I pumped it was in the high 30's. IMO the mpg on our cars is off by +3 or -3 of what it states.

Also, I drove at 60mph-65mph, shifted at 2.5-3k for that trip, 90%+ hwy driving and no a/c whole time. 53 miles imo is not enough as a testing area. Try 100 minimum as an 'estimate' and a whole week of driving those same roads in order to create a good solid estimation.

Don't forget altitude, pressure and temperature help or hinder mpg. Auto will get better mpg because of the transmission. Don't forget.



I'm personally at 21-26 with 80% city, and 20% hwy. Yesterday being in SJ I got 38mpg driving to SJ, and coming back 32-34.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Wait till ..............

DANG!, @Packofcrows ....... you out done yourself there ......


humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

Hell, you already live in Olympia. Come out & have a burger with the crew.

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[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Akya2120

Frankly I would love to see this car hit a MPG of 40-50. It'd be nice to show the world that a car can be fun, and economical. Not sure what exactly would be required to do this, or if something like that is even possible.

I looked around to see if anyone was trying to do an economy build but didn't really find anything. Mainly just people talking about what kind of mileage they are getting after they did their build.

Thanks for reading!

Look at ecomodders forum, they do eco builds, not sure if there will be anyone with an FRS.

The manual gets 30 highway and the auto gets 34 highway. I'd be willing to bet that doing eco mods, you could manage 40 highway but I don't think that would work well with your HP goals also