Minnesota Check In

[TMF]

Originally Posted by KevinK121

Let's talk about local classing for a minute. Realistically if I went FI I'd immediately shoot myself in the foot from being competitive in any class, yes? Basing this purely off MNtimeattack classing.

I'd be in "Limited Heavy", that same as evos, and other cars allowed to make similar upgrades. I mean I might be able to compete in some drag class with stock interior and weight but.... straight lines.

Matt, Im sure you did research into the local classing and whatnot before supercharging. Did you come to same conclusion and decide to just do it for fun?

Some of the other cars in limited heavy per the results from MNtimeattck

First, I commend you for actually paying attention to a rules set prior to modding your car. Many people (myself included with past cars) just start modding their car before getting into motorsports, and then realize they are bumped into some ridiculous class due to some simple mod.

That aside, I've spoken with Preston (who created MNTA) about the rules, and it sounds like the current rules set is just a starting draft, and changes are very likely for the future. I'm not sure if this means a huge makeover, or just some tweaks.

So I'd advise against prepping your car for MNTA just because of the uncertainty for the future rules, and the fact that those rules only govern MNTA events, and no other motorsport sanctioned events/groups.

You have to ask yourself if you really want to be competitive in a certain group and if so, read the rules for that group and keep your car within your desired class boundaries. If you go this route, I highly recommend starting in one of the "stockish" classes and learn how to drive you car in stock/near-stock form prior to adding mods. You'll learn a lot more that way and be a better driver in the long run.

However, if you're only semi-serious about competing and it's more important to you to mod your car for your preferences (whether it be a variety of motorsports sanctioned events or street use), mod your car how you want to and enjoy it. If you race in an event, most groups have an "exhibition class" or just put it in the right class, go out and have fun, and worry about competing against your own times, not others.

For me personally, I'm keeping my FRS within the "Street" category (basically stock) for SCCA Solo (autox). The autox rules apply to almost every autox club/event around the country, and national events, so there are quite a few more events/groups to chose from.

NASA is another popular nation-wide racing group (full track), but their rules are much different than autox. Even the SCCA rules for road racing are different than the autox rules.

So, figure out what is most important to you (competitiveness vs. personal preference) and what group you want to race with, and go from there. Finally, always remember, the best "mod" is more seat time and proper instruction!

[KevinK121]

Thats all pretty much what I've come to terms with. Either a fun car that I like to take out to enjoy for myself or a car built to specific classing in the idea of competing.

It really is a toss up.

Thanks for the more in depth info on auto x classing and whatnot. I need to dig more into the difference in events and different classing/rules of different organizations. Ill have all winter to figure it out, right?

[Gopherboy6956]

Originally Posted by KevinK121

Let's talk about local classing for a minute. Realistically if I went FI I'd immediately shoot myself in the foot from being competitive in any class, yes? Basing this purely off MNtimeattack classing.

I'd be in "Limited Heavy", that same as evos, and other cars allowed to make similar upgrades. I mean I might be able to compete in some drag class with stock interior and weight but.... straight lines.

Matt, Im sure you did research into the local classing and whatnot before supercharging. Did you come to same conclusion and decide to just do it for fun?

Some of the other cars in limited heavy per the results from MNtimeattck

I tell you what - Prior to the BRZ, I was really only involved in events that were recreational level competition - Local AutoX and Proving grounds, both which are more just about fun and whatnot vs competition. When I got into the BRZ, I knew I wanted to Supercharge it from day 1, just because i'd never owned a FI car and really, really wanted one - just for myself. It also helps that it was the perfect power addition to the BRZ, even in 'stock' form (perrin tune) while i still have the option to dial up the power with Flex fuel and e85.

For classing though, I knew it'd put me in Street Modified for SCCA AutoX, but that's ok because the car can hold it's own in that classing with the allowed mods.

At Proving grounds, I'm basically just in the Unlimited group and just for fun.

Beyond that, I plan to do other events like GRIDLIFE and maybe some day USCA (where i'd be in GTL) but I honestly don't ever see myself being able to compete at a high or dedicated level - just more like experiencing them.

So Long, Long story short - I am building the car the way I want to drive it and have fun in it (on and off track) with a small influence from the event classings.

Adding FI to this car still make it one hell of a contender for a lot of formats.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Gopherboy6956

For classing though, I knew it'd put me in Street Modified for SCCA AutoX, but that's ok because the car can hold it's own in that classing with the allowed mods.

I'm not trying to bash you by any means...but it depends on what you mean by "hold your own." Competitive locally? Possibly, if you're a solid driver. Competitively at national events? Doubtful, unless you spend a ton of money on it AND you're an amazing driver.

When I was considering the BRZ/FRS platform, I thought I would HAVE to have more power. Now that I own one and have driven in a few autox's, I want no such thing. This car is a blast to drive at 10/10th in autox...and drive aggressively on the street without drawing attention (when you get beat off the line by a minivan, cops tend to easily see past you).

Now, all of that said, I'm sure after I'm done at PG2, I'll want more power. Hell, I thought my stage 2+E85 STI needed more power at BIR though. Have to pick and choose your battles! But I greatly enjoy being able to drive my FRS and not worry about issues with mods, the tune, blowing up, etc. At the end of the day, each will make it their own.

[Gopherboy6956]

Originally Posted by TMF

I'm not trying to bash you by any means...but it depends on what you mean by "hold your own." Competitive locally? Possibly, if you're a solid driver. Competitively at national events? Doubtful, unless you spend a ton of money on it AND you're an amazing driver.

When I was considering the BRZ/FRS platform, I thought I would HAVE to have more power. Now that I own one and have driven in a few autox's, I want no such thing. This car is a blast to drive at 10/10th in autox...and drive aggressively on the street without drawing attention (when you get beat off the line by a minivan, cops tend to easily see past you).

Now, all of that said, I'm sure after I'm done at PG2, I'll want more power. Hell, I thought my stage 2+E85 STI needed more power at BIR though. Have to pick and choose your battles! But I greatly enjoy being able to drive my FRS and not worry about issues with mods, the tune, blowing up, etc. At the end of the day, each will make it their own.

Yes. Competitive locally and in Autox classing. Time attack not as likely.

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[KevinK121]

Originally Posted by Gopherboy6956

I tell you what - Prior to the BRZ, I was really only involved in events that were recreational level competition - Local AutoX and Proving grounds, both which are more just about fun and whatnot vs competition. When I got into the BRZ, I knew I wanted to Supercharge it from day 1, just because i'd never owned a FI car and really, really wanted one - just for myself. It also helps that it was the perfect power addition to the BRZ, even in 'stock' form (perrin tune) while i still have the option to dial up the power with Flex fuel and e85.

For classing though, I knew it'd put me in Street Modified for SCCA AutoX, but that's ok because the car can hold it's own in that classing with the allowed mods.

At Proving grounds, I'm basically just in the Unlimited group and just for fun.

Beyond that, I plan to do other events like GRIDLIFE and maybe some day USCA (where i'd be in GTL) but I honestly don't ever see myself being able to compete at a high or dedicated level - just more like experiencing them.

So Long, Long story short - I am building the car the way I want to drive it and have fun in it (on and off track) with a small influence from the event classings.

Adding FI to this car still make it one hell of a contender for a lot of formats.

Sounds about where my thinking was. I wasnt sure if you were building to a specific class but considering your involvement I figured you would have been. I think I may go for the turbo build with same thought process.

Im going to start running e85 on the next tank and see how that feels for the rest of the season.

[Gopherboy6956]

Originally Posted by KevinK121

Sounds about where my thinking was. I wasnt sure if you were building to a specific class but considering your involvement I figured you would have been. I think I may go for the turbo build with same thought process.

Im going to start running e85 on the next tank and see how that feels for the rest of the season.

Just remember - for road course supercharger is pretty nice. Linear power and no surprises.

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[KevinK121]

Yeah If I go turbo and get bored someday I can just keep building to compete with my friends big power RSX's.

Ones making probably a bit over 500 and the other is about 95% finished buying all of his stuff for his K24 Borg Warner project.

Im legitimately scared of what that is going to turn out like.

[ka-t_240]

Did someone say USCA Events? I was at Road America this weekend for USCA. I placed 9th out of 26 cars. The BRZ will never be competitive at these events with out having in the 350-400whp range. The cars in its class are all the RS built evos and very modded vettes, and then some crazy muscle cars.


As for MN Time Attack, I agree with TMF, don't base your car on their classing. If you want to build for a class, look at SCCA STX. It is a solid starting point for all the supporting mods if you ever add a supercharger.

[KevinK121]

Originally Posted by ka-t_240

Did someone say USCA Events? I was at Road America this weekend for USCA. I placed 9th out of 26 cars. The BRZ will never be competitive at these events with out having in the 350-400whp range. The cars in its class are all the RS built evos and very modded vettes, and then some crazy muscle cars.


As for MN Time Attack, I agree with TMF, don't base your car on their classing. If you want to build for a class, look at SCCA STX. It is a solid starting point for all the supporting mods if you ever add a supercharger.

Your numbers look better than mine lol

[ka-t_240]

*Those are the USCA supplied numbers for the event. I have bunches of magnets I typically use.

[Nate.]

Is anyone going to the COM Super Sunday event at DCTC next weekend? I'll be there running in novice class.

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by Nate.

Is anyone going to the COM Super Sunday event at DCTC next weekend? I'll be there running in novice class.

Nope, proving grounds!

[TMF]

Originally Posted by ka-t_240

Nope, proving grounds!

Likewise, it will be my first! Only going for the SSS on Sunday though.