EcuTek preparing to release PRO ECU software for BRZ

[ESBjiujitsu]

this tread is awesome carry on

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Anyone with a Subaru should know this. Stay away from Ecutek. They lock you out of your ecu. I lost a motor over that crap. And its not like cobb or os that you can flash right back out of.

Stay away from it.

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

Anyone with a Subaru should know this. Stay away from Ecutek. They lock you out of your ecu. I lost a motor over that crap. And its not like cobb or os that you can flash right back out of.

Stay away from it.

Read the thread.

This has already been covered.

EcuTek isn't responsible for losing your motor - EcuTek only provides tools for a car to be programmed. If you didn't have a good tune in your car you could have brought it to your EcuTek tuner or another local EcuTek dealer and had the flash removed.

You also could have bought the flash cable when you got the tune - giving you the ability to put it back to stock.

And so you know - all ECUs in all cars are LOCKED. There is a special handshake called the seed key that's there to prevent people from flashing the ecu - yeah from factory!. EcuTek and Cobb break into the Ecu and reverse engineer everything and write software- giving people the ability to tune.

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT

Yes and Yes.

There was a huge stink over this years ago.

Just like Cobb, EcuTek locks the ECU when the car is programmed.

The big difference between the two is Cobb has a handheld programer to allow the owner to remove from the car (unmarry).

EcuTek has always had a cable available for sale to serve the same purpose as Cobbs hand held - it was however very expensive so no one every bought it.

This is where EcuTek's pricing change has come in.

There's a new cable, new price - dealers like myself will be selling staged packages to go with the cable.

For those of you that want to do self tuning - they will have that as well.

Pro Tuning support for BRZ will come first, then user tuning.

-John

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT

Read the thread.

This has already been covered.

EcuTek isn't responsible for losing your motor - EcuTek only provides tools for a car to be programmed. If you didn't have a good tune in your car you could have brought it to your EcuTek tuner or another local EcuTek dealer and had the flash removed.

You also could have bought the flash cable when you got the tune - giving you the ability to put it back to stock.

And so you know - all ECUs in all cars are LOCKED. There is a special handshake called the seed key that's there to prevent people from flashing the ecu - yeah from factory!. EcuTek and Cobb break into the Ecu and reverse engineer everything and write software- giving people the ability to tune.

Hi Jon,
I was on my phone.
I had huge problems with Ecutek with their rom file itself. Triggering cel's, taking out crusie control for over a year I battled with this. I had to talk with Ecutek directly in the UK about it.

The software for the delta dash sucks. It crashed a lot. Having being able to change maps, It still did not work. And Ecutek locked the ecu's so you could not reflash them with Cobb or OS tuning. Bitch move on their part.

Next, While I really do respect your work. I know a lot of vendors are trying to jump on the hottest ticket before anyone else does. I am sure you can tune just fine. But for the rest of the world. Ecutek dealer support sucks balls. I had two motors blown over ecutek. By some big name brand tuners. I do not plan on having anymore.

It will also take more time to tune on a dyno unless they have live tuning now. So anyone should expect to pay for for a tune.

Are they still locking the ecu's down so you can remove Ecutek in the future?
How quickly are they going to update the rom files? And if a customer has a problem with the file. Not the tune. How quickly are they going to address it?

B.T.W. I hated Cobb from the get go with their ecu locking. But after Ecutek and OS, I had to bite the bullet, I now run Cobb AP/SD

I really think if Ecutek is going to get out of where they have placed themselfs, They need to start with open tuning to show how open they are to the "new" world!

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT

There is a special handshake called the seed key that's there to prevent people from flashing the ecu - yeah from factory!. EcuTek and Cobb break into the Ecu and reverse engineer everything and write software- giving people the ability to tune.

Didn't stop me from downloading a rom file off a FRS last week. Also the "handshake" lock is from the tuner software.

Oh and Hi Merve!

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

Hi Jon,
I was on my phone.
I had huge problems with Ecutek with their rom file itself. Triggering cel's, taking out crusie control for over a year I battled with this. I had to talk with Ecutek directly in the UK about it.

The software for the delta dash sucks. It crashed a lot. Having being able to change maps, It still did not work. And Ecutek locked the ecu's so you could not reflash them with Cobb or OS tuning. Bitch move on their part.

Next, While I really do respect your work. I know a lot of vendors are trying to jump on the hottest ticket before anyone else does. I am sure you can tune just fine. But for the rest of the world. Ecutek dealer support sucks balls. I had two motors blown over ecutek. By some big name brand tuners. I do not plan on having anymore.

It will also take more time to tune on a dyno unless they have live tuning now. So anyone should expect to pay for for a tune.

Are they still locking the ecu's down so you can remove Ecutek in the future?
How quickly are they going to update the rom files? And if a customer has a problem with the file. Not the tune. How quickly are they going to address it?

B.T.W. I hated Cobb from the get go with their ecu locking. But after Ecutek and OS, I had to bite the bullet, I now run Cobb AP/SD

I really think if Ecutek is going to get out of where they have placed themselfs, They need to start with open tuning to show how open they are to the "new" world!

I'm not sure what your purpose or goal is coming into this thread creating all this drama... If you think your saving a community from something your really not.

I'm sorry for your previous experiences - at the time of your issues EcuTek support was really for it's ProTuners not ProTuner customers. (shity i know)

It was the job of the ProTuner to make sure you were working ok - clearly this big name tuner failed at that.

Some times when your working with new bleeding edge type of stuff you can have issues.

If you read my posts I'm very clear on whats going on

New products, new software, new pricing.

btw I'm happy your enjoying your Cobb AP w/ SD. Since EcuTek supported Speed Density for over a year before Cobb I was one of the first Cobb alpha testers giving them some very helpful information / pointers

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

Didn't stop me from downloading a rom file off a FRS last week. Also the "handshake" lock is from the tuner software.

Supporting ecu reading and flashing w/ flash recovery are very different.

I sincerely hope it flashes as well as it reads.

-John

[Primo86]

Okay this is a ggreat thread.... anything tuningrelated that can bring that torque number closer to the HP figure is perfect... i just have a few questions relating to ECUtek, flashing, and tuning in general.

When i hhad an '05 Celica i was modifying, ipurchased a GReddy E-Manage ultimate.. shitty these units don't work on Mac, but i was lucky enough to borrow at netbook. The software was incredible ... fully programmable everything, nothing was locked, and there were some amazing features. Vehicle specific haharnesses + PC = full end-user control even thought a proper dynotune is required for the best result.

I was told a chip / flash wouldn't work w. That car because the ECU was "locked" - is it different on the FR-S/BRZ?

Is ECUtek a physical unit which goes to the ECU or just software?

Are drop-in performance chips possible/ in the making for the twins?

What is tthe easiest, cleanest way for giving the ecu a boost?

Thank you guys!

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by Primo86

Okay this is a ggreat thread.... anything tuningrelated that can bring that torque number closer to the HP figure is perfect... i just have a few questions relating to ECUtek, flashing, and tuning in general.

When i hhad an '05 Celica i was modifying, ipurchased a GReddy E-Manage ultimate.. shitty these units don't work on Mac, but i was lucky enough to borrow at netbook. The software was incredible ... fully programmable everything, nothing was locked, and there were some amazing features. Vehicle specific haharnesses + PC = full end-user control even thought a proper dynotune is required for the best result.

I was told a chip / flash wouldn't work w. That car because the ECU was "locked" - is it different on the FR-S/BRZ?

Is ECUtek a physical unit which goes to the ECU or just software?

Are drop-in performance chips possible/ in the making for the twins?

What is tthe easiest, cleanest way for giving the ecu a boost?

Thank you guys!

I've used Greddy E-manage before - it's a piggyback system.

EcuTek makes tuning software that can direct flash (reprogram) your ecu via OBD2

All manufacturers have their ECUs are locked down - but there is always a way to get in!

Just seems like there wasn't enough interest from a commercial company like EcuTek to figure out how to do it for your particular car.

EcuTek has had a BRZ ecu in there hands for over 8 months now so they already have A LOT done. Once they get a BRZ in their hands they plan on getting Speed Density and a few other things working.

EcuTek plans on selling cables that will allow car owners the ability to tune themselves - this however will come after the ProTuner have a chance to work the software first.

Vendors like myself will also sell the EcuTek cable with a tune that will give you the bump in performance your looking for.

I would guess that some vendors will offer packages that will include a flash and maybe exhaust system.

-John

[Primo86]

Originally Posted by John@TheShopCT

I've used Greddy E-manage before - it's a piggyback system.

EcuTek makes tuning software that can direct flash (reprogram) your ecu via OBD2

All manufacturers have their ECUs are locked down - but there is always a way to get in!

Just seems like there wasn't enough interest from a commercial company like EcuTek to figure out how to do it for your particular car.

EcuTek has had a BRZ ecu in there hands for over 8 months now so they already have A LOT done. Once they get a BRZ in their hands they plan on getting Speed Density and a few other things working.

EcuTek plans on selling cables that will allow car owners the ability to tune themselves - this however will come after the ProTuner have a chance to work the software first.

Vendors like myself will also sell the EcuTek cable with a tune that will give you the bump in performance your looking for.

I would guess that some vendors will offer packages that will include a flash and maybe exhaust system.

-John

Awesome, thanks! That seems like a great solution ffor tuning in minor - intermediate mods easily. Is there an option in the works like the "Miller War Chip" for BMW, or is this system just as effective? Sorry about the spelling errors in the last post, im on my "smart" phone.

[Slartibartfast]

I have a noob question. I have no experience with ECU tuning, and I'm curious what it really is. Altering timing? fuel? Tricking the air flow sensors? Etc etc... I really don't know. Is it safe? Will it screw me when I'm due for an emissions test? Can someone enlighten me.

Oh and BTW, can someone tell me where the carburetor is on the FR-S, I can't see it in any of the engine bay pics.

Thanks

[slow_frs]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I have a noob question. I have no experience with ECU tuning, and I'm curious what it really is. Altering timing? fuel? Tricking the air flow sensors? Etc etc... I really don't know. Is it safe? Will it screw me when I'm due for an emissions test? Can someone enlighten me.

Oh and BTW, can someone tell me where the carburetor is on the FR-S, I can't see it in any of the engine bay pics.

Thanks

Now I'm going to act as if you didn't ask about a carburetor, but an Ecu flash does not trick and sensors you actually go in and change the parameters of things like fuel and timing and being able disable certain sensors, and yes you can pass emissions

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by slow_frs

Now I'm going to act as if you didn't ask about a carburetor, but an Ecu flash does not trick and sensors you actually go in and change the parameters of things like fuel and timing and being able disable certain sensors, and yes you can pass emissions

Thanks, and yes I was joking about the carburetor.

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

I have a noob question. I have no experience with ECU tuning, and I'm curious what it really is. Altering timing? fuel? Tricking the air flow sensors? Etc etc... I really don't know. Is it safe? Will it screw me when I'm due for an emissions test? Can someone enlighten me.

Oh and BTW, can someone tell me where the carburetor is on the FR-S, I can't see it in any of the engine bay pics.

Thanks

Normally when there is no ecu tuning solution people will normally trick the computer by wiring in resisters in airflow meters etc etc.

In this case EcuTek is able to change factory maps in the car computer allowing a tuner to make adjustments - for performance or economy.

EcuTek has plans on setting up non-factory maps in the ECU that will allow correct fuel adjustments for turbo / supercharger kits.

Emissions - well that all depends on what you guys do with the exhaust system. If you remove the cat or cats you will run into problems passing emissions - but other than that a simple performance tune won't effect that.

-John

[Primo86]

ECU tuning is great, it gives the end user the chance to custom the engine to their needs a bit more... say you bought this car and wanted to keep it looking stock with only a few air-flow mods- lighter/ less restrictive exhaust, headers, performance intake, and maybe a port and polish. Program these mods into the ECU along with maps removing some eco settings, and boom- your engine runs much more efficiently with the added hardware, and you get the proper amount of power out of the parts. Say a more advanced guy gets a port + polish, multi-angle valve job, and a supercharger kit on top of those other mods (injectors, FPR + rail, fuel pump, ARP studs, cometic gasket, etc.) At this point, tuning the ECU (or replacing it) is really not an option. you can tune in all of your standard mods, while changing the maps for much different fuel flow and air flow... it gets more complex as you go, but from a basic stand point- with say an intake, you are tuning that in, but also tuning out some of the factory's eco settings.