Motor Trend: 2016 Miata vs 2015 BRZ

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by glamcem

yeah the only thing with S2K and Miata is that they're not "cars", they're "toys" like Carlos Lago mentioned in his previous Miata vs FRS review @Motor Trend



one thing about 1LE, they're only made to order so there aren't as many 1LEs at the dealership lots unless someone ordered and cancelled after that, I know from a first hand experience also, my friend ordered one and the dealership told him on the arrival they're no longer interested on selling the car for the agreed price and added their mark up.. (a..hats) he ended up finding a slightly used 14 and

this is his build thread if interested
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375406

also @brzaapi the problems you experienced with the C5Z, to my understanding, been resolved when people go with SQ setup and changed the rear bushings, overheating was an issue with C5Z I believe, that might be the reason why I had to change the stupid yellow valve springs after I broke one (luckily not when revving up )

they are cars. i think you mean you want back seats or something but its a car. thats the word you use to describe them.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by fatoni

they are cars. i think you mean you want back seats or something but its a car. thats the word you use to describe them.

well of course, but you know what they mean by that ..a lot of people forget this fact (ahem like me) and mainly see the cars as numbers and decide to go back to something more practical and safer..

speaking of safe; unlike coupes people should definitely get some sort of rollover protection (roll bar and such).. Roll bar and the PPE Long tube headers were my first ever mods on my old Miata then I realized that I don't like compromise tires for track(aggressive street tires ) but instead I like separating track pads,wheels/tires (R comps) and be able to fit all the other things for track days (jacks,stands, tools, fluids,,,etc) so I either had to go with Miata +trailer + get something more practical for street or get a BRZ to fit the track tire/wheel set..larger community and aftermarket support of the FT86 platform made it only easier

[abraxis]

What is a car? I think we can officially close down the thread now.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by glamcem

well of course, but you know what they mean by that ..a lot of people forget this fact (ahem like me) and mainly see the cars as numbers and decide to go back to something more practical and safer..

speaking of safe; unlike coupes people should definitely get some sort of rollover protection (roll bar and such).. Roll bar and the PPE Long tube headers were my first ever mods on my old Miata then I realized that I don't like compromise tires for track(aggressive street tires ) but instead I like separating track pads,wheels/tires (R comps) and be able to fit all the other things for track days (jacks,stands, tools, fluids,,,etc) so I either had to go with Miata +trailer + get something more practical for street or get a BRZ to fit the track tire/wheel set..larger community and aftermarket support of the FT86 platform made it only easier

i dont think a rollbar is a very smart thing for the street and i dont think the twins have a better aftermaket than the miata but i understand where youre coming from. i dont know if i could bring myself to take my commuter car to the track so i hold on to the miata.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i dont think a rollbar is a very smart thing for the street and i dont think the twins have a better aftermaket than the miata but i understand where youre coming from. i dont know if i could bring myself to take my commuter car to the track so i hold on to the miata.

What do you mean? My car came with one but I upgraded since the OEM was way too short for anyone taller than 6" so it is the "smart" thing for anyone who cares about roll over protection , it's not a cage after all

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by glamcem

What do you mean? My car came with one but I upgraded since the OEM was way too short for anyone taller than 6" so it is the "smart" thing for anyone who cares about roll over protection , it's not a cage after all

roll bars are pretty bad for street cars imo. i mean, they work well in conjunction with proper safety equipment but not so much in a street car. the chances of a roll are so low while the chances of being rear ended or something is much higher and a rollbar is a liability there.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by fatoni

roll bars are pretty bad for street cars imo. i mean, they work well in conjunction with proper safety equipment but not so much in a street car. the chances of a roll are so low while the chances of being rear ended or something is much higher and a rollbar is a liability there.

nope, you're thinking of roll cage not roll bar, and yes you'll need safety equipment with roll cage since in case of accident there is a chance of head injury and bars will block the airbags in A column, not an issue with a roll bar..
roll bar is highly advised for street use for roll over protection so it already comes with the NC miata (hoop style in those plastic covers), and it's required at the track

the white Miata was mine and the black one is my friend's, we both got it at the same time but he installed his roll bar soon before I did..
notice how short is the OEM roll bar vs the proper roll bar on the right, with the helmet it barely clears with stock seats ..it's a no brainer for any convertible cars no matter what others say

[CSG Mike]

That's a proper roll bar on the right?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by abraxis

What is a car? I think we can officially close down the thread now.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's a proper roll bar on the right?

yes there is no way the OEM would pass the broom test so I got the same exact roll bar (double hoop) since it looks more "OEM" and the wind blocker works with little trimming,

AFAIK some organizations mandate single hoop rollbar , supposedly in case of rollover double hoop type may dig in.. luckily none of us had to test that to see if it's true

[Lord09]

So in the event of a being rear ended or some other frontal collision, you don't see any safety issue with your head possibly snapping back and hitting the taller aftermarket roll bar? Stock ones are fine since they're so low, it's a non issue.

I'm all for roll bars, but unless you're on the track with a helmet, I wouldn't drive the car without some type of padding on the bar.

[JS + BRZ]

Just go Stig and wear the helmet everywhere.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Lord09

So in the event of a being rear ended or some other frontal collision, you don't see any safety issue with your head possibly snapping back and hitting the taller aftermarket roll bar? Stock ones are fine since they're so low, it's a non issue.

I'm all for roll bars, but unless you're on the track with a helmet, I wouldn't drive the car without some type of padding on the bar.

As long as the roll bar is far enough back, and the seat cannot possibly collapse and let you that far back, you will be okay. This is something that is determined on a case by case basis.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by glamcem

yes there is no way the OEM would pass the broom test so I got the same exact roll bar (double hoop) since it looks more "OEM" and the wind blocker works with little trimming,

AFAIK some organizations mandate single hoop rollbar , supposedly in case of rollover double hoop type may dig in.. luckily none of us had to test that to see if it's true

No it's not, you may pass the broom stick test, but see if NASA/SCCA will approve it for HPDE/TT.

That's why the only "proper" roll-bar (for the NC) is this crazy monstrosity from Flyin' Miata. https://www.flyinmiata.com/nc-transformer-roll-bar.html

The other types sold (like what you have pictured) don't have proper support for the hoops.