Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I know I've been gone for awhile but did you already forget who I am? I've went through 4 transmissions last year. Eric at velox has one of my grenaded ones. I'm also the guy who melted the dust seals out of a stock brake caliper and you guys expedited me some APs so I could get back on track. I beat the shit out of my car. I shift early because the gtx28 runs out of VE at 16 psi and 7200 rpm. It's just not worth it. Now if I'm running a lower psi tune for weight to hp restrictions I shift later because I make power closer to my 7800 redline. But at full kill mode 460whp tune the gtx28 falls on its face at 7500. Just can't flow anymore air.

Ah ok you're beating on it

I retract my statement of not driving it hard! Sorry I talk to way too many people

Are you still on a stock longblock?

[Reaper]

And regarding valve spring pressure. My first high hp tune was boost heavy. 19psi. But we experienced valve float. So we lowered the psi played with cam timing and threw my ignition timing at it and made the same whp with less boost and no valve float. Octane and timing are key to this engine. Huge psi gets sketchy with stock valve springs. BTW we have a few built motors and lots of parts to build another one for my car. Mine is stock by choice. Because well.....it's still going.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Reaper

And regarding valve spring pressure. My first high hp tune was boost heavy. 19psi. But we experienced valve float. So we lowered the psi played with cam timing and threw my ignition timing at it and made the same whp with less boost and no valve float. Octane and timing are key to this engine. Huge psi gets sketchy with stock valve springs. BTW we have a few built motors and lots of parts to build another one for my car. Mine is stock by choice. Because well.....it's still going.

You've been far luckier than we have...

And absolutely; I've seen so many tunes that are not even close to MBT, and yet the tuner insists on increasing boost pressure.

We need to chat more about engines; I'd be curious to know which direction you've gone and compare notes with ours.

[ConElite]

Originally Posted by JoeC

Can you elaborate on "completely custom"? To me, that would mean a tune specific to MY car and I would think a tune for my car at 6,000ft above sea level is a lot different than than some else's near sea level.

Thanks for responding, ConElite

Like CSG Mike mentioned. Its a custom tune that Edelbrock created from scratch to run best with a completely stock FR-s/BRZ. Of course to optimize a car with mods its up to the individual to have their car dyno tuned. Thats with any and all cars.

If you look at the elevation of the Edelbrock location its about 100ft above sea level.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ConElite

Like CSG Mike mentioned. Its a custom tune that Edelbrock created from scratch to run best with a completely stock FR-s/BRZ. Of course to optimize a car with mods its up to the individual to have their car dyno tuned. Thats with any and all cars.

If you look at the elevation of the Edelbrock location its about 100ft above sea level.

One thing to note is that California has a wide range of weather and conditions readily accessible. 4000+ elevations are available within an hour of Edelbrock, and 7000+ within 2 hours. I would suspect that they did some high temperature, high elevation testing; it wouldn't make sense for a company of this size and reputation not to.

[ConElite]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

One thing to note is that California has a wide range of weather and conditions readily accessible. 4000+ elevations are available within an hour of Edelbrock, and 7000+ within 2 hours. I would suspect that they did some high temperature, high elevation testing; it wouldn't make sense for a company of this size and reputation not to.

I know they do endurance testing on the rollers to simulate heavy loads and back to back WOT runs to try and get the cars to overheat and so on. As for altitude testing, I highly doubt ANY supercharger manufacturer does that.

Update- Just talked to a buddy at Edelbrock and they in fact altitude test, heat soak and torture test (in death valley) all their E-Force systems.

[ConElite]

Originally Posted by sobrz

looks like a bad fitment here, no?

(fyi: i'm not trolling, I'm really hoping this kit lives up to the expectations).

This kit along with the rest of the pictures available online are all "Pre-Production" so you have to take that into account when looking at fitment. The tolerances on the production pieces are MUCH better from what I have been told.

[SkiRideDrive]

Originally Posted by ConElite

I know they do endurance testing on the rollers to simulate heavy loads and back to back WOT runs to try and get the cars to overheat and so on. As for altitude testing, I highly doubt ANY supercharger manufacturer does that.

Update- Just talked to a buddy at Edelbrock and they in fact altitude test, heat soak and torture test (in death valley) all their E-Force systems.

Wouldn't want to be volunteering the test car then. Good news for everyone purchasing the kit though.

[ConElite]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

Wouldn't want to be volunteering the test car then. Good news for everyone purchasing the kit though.

Thats with any R&D system. There is always little pre-production parts and fitment you have to deal with. Plus im sure for the price FuzzyFunk paid, the small detail is worth it.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ConElite

I know they do endurance testing on the rollers to simulate heavy loads and back to back WOT runs to try and get the cars to overheat and so on. As for altitude testing, I highly doubt ANY supercharger manufacturer does that.

Update- Just talked to a buddy at Edelbrock and they in fact altitude test, heat soak and torture test (in death valley) all their E-Force systems.

So that's two SC kits that altitude/heat/torture test kits

If only everyone tested this much...

[SomedayIsuppose]

I plan to pull the trigger on this kit once a few people install and post results... That and I get my Q3 bonus...

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

So that's two SC kits that altitude/heat/torture test kits

If only everyone tested this much...

I wonder if they also strip the engine down and break parts to find out the strength of the material used then put it all into a very very expensive engine simulator to work out the long term effects on the engine like a well know formula one engine manufacturer did. And all that before the thousands of hours on engine dyno development running extended WOT runns and 10,000 miles of road and track testing across europe....

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by ajc209

I wonder if they also strip the engine down and break parts to find out the strength of the material used then put it all into a very very expensive engine simulator to work out the long term effects on the engine like a well know formula one engine manufacturer did. And all that before the thousands of hours on engine dyno development running extended WOT runns and 10,000 miles of road and track testing across europe....

As much as I like Edelbrock and respect their engineering/manufacturing capabilities, I doubt they are willing to put so much development on this as said "other" company. The 86 is still a relatively small market for them compared to their other products. Time, results and our $$$ may change that I suppose...

[AppleSauce]

what other company r we talking about?