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[glamcem]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I beg to differ. Your experience, clearly, varies from mine.

oh yeah? what experience Mike? have you had a chance to race each one of them with a Rotrex SC BRZ/FRS?

see below dyno graph for a bolt on Evo on pump gas vs a highly modified, GTX28 series turbo, E85!!! tuned BRZ which probably makes about 40-45 more whp and definitely has waaay more are under the TQ curve than our Rotrex cars

having these in mind any car guy would immediately say that Bolt on Evo would eat our cars alive, how can you deny this fact? if in your experience you've seen otherwise, there's clearly something very wrong with either that Evo or his driver

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Dude,,, I am not judging your preference or anything ..
I was just talking about the power delivery and the mid range characteristics of our cars that's all

of course RWD is fun, of course being lightweight is something you cannot replace easily but those were all out of the scope of our initial conversation

the thing you said you want in a car is not here, that's all I am saying

..FA20 engine is a high revving NA engine designed to be driven hard all the way up in the power band (just like the NC2-NC3 Miatas) so anytime I hear "limited RPM to 6800rpm " thread I just wanna cry especially with a Rotrex that is also designed to be revved up to the sky..

all that said, if you ask me which one is a better car (BRZ VS WRX) or all the others cars in that list (including the ones I owned in my signature), I would still say the BRZ .. since it's the best car I've ever owned, even with its BS mid range and torque dip, with FI it's better but power delivery still cannot be as healthy as other cars that don't have this problem ..

I hear ya bud. We are all fam here so no worries about offending me or anything. You are just passionately trying to get your point across. When I use to have a Honda Civic Si I redline everyday just because vtec.

[autograph]

Originally Posted by glamcem

oh yeah? what experience Mike? have you had a chance to race each one of them with a Rotrex SC BRZ/FRS?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by glamcem

oh yeah? what experience Mike? have you had a chance to race each one of them with a Rotrex SC BRZ/FRS?

see below dyno graph for a bolt on Evo on pump gas vs a highly modified, GTX28 series turbo, E85!!! tuned BRZ which probably makes about 40-45 more whp and definitely has waaay more are under the TQ curve than our Rotrex cars

having these in mind any car guy would immediately say that Bolt on Evo would eat our cars alive, how can you deny this fact? if in your experience you've seen otherwise, there's clearly something very wrong with either that Evo or his driver

I'm sorry, but that powerband is pathetic for a turbo E85 BRZ.

As it sits, there's currently a 360whp 2015 WRX sitting in my driveway, and yes, I have, personally, ran EVERY comparison listed in the list I previously put up. It's pretty easy to do when I'm at the track every weekend

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by glamcem

since when speaking from personal experience considered as making bold claims?

he already mentioned his type of car he prefers in his initial post, the thing is what he is looking for is the exact weak spot of our cars ( "mid range punch" vs "mid range torque dip" in ) ..so my "bold" statement still prevails stock vs stock,

it's not like I was judging his preference on an RWD or AWD ..
if you read the whole thread we were initially talking about why Rotrex SC'd BRZ/FRSs and why they cannot keep up with the EVO, WRX/STI, 350Z/370Z ..

I personally don't care who likes what type of car (RWD vs AWD, coupe vs roadster vs sedan) , I was just pointing the facts

I repeat "you can never, I mean never hang with a bolt on Evo with a Rotrex SCd FRS/BRZ" ..now that's a bold statement written in bold (no pun intended) but I still don't care b/c it's a fact

Benchmark racing lol , I don't care much about numbers just which is more enjoyable to drive.

You can get midrange punch in these cars but thats completely subjective. I was quite satisfied with bolt-ons + stage 2 e85 tune. A smooth-er torque band is totally possible on this platform.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm sorry, but that powerband is pathetic for a turbo E85 BRZ.

As it sits, there's currently a 360whp 2015 WRX sitting in my driveway, and yes, I have, personally, ran EVERY comparison listed in the list I previously put up. It's pretty easy to do when I'm at the track every weekend

when you said it will be faster in a straight line(see below) and since we were all talking about highway pulls I don't think the track times apply here

This is in a straight line, with stock wheels and tires, from a roll.

You have to remember that while every car listed has more power and torque, the FRS/BRZ is a much, much lighter car, in some cases, 1000+ lbs lighter.

It's the exact reason a ND Miata is faster than an FRS, stock for stock, with only 155hp.

and I already explained why the weight differences is not a big issue on highway pulls exact reason why a V10 M5 will walk away from a C5 Z06 on highway (after 120mph of course, lol) ..that's a thing that I already knew for years,as I couldn't remember the damn formula, I had to quote it

also, that pathetic powerband still has way more area under the TQ than our cars I remember you had a WRX so we both know 360 WHP WRX would kill a Rotrex FRS/BRZ any day from roll, just say it Mike, repeat after me "WRX will win that race"

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

Benchmark racing lol , I don't care much about numbers just which is more enjoyable to drive.

You can get midrange punch in these cars but thats completely subjective. I was quite satisfied with bolt-ons + stage 2 e85 tune. A smooth-er torque band is totally possible on this platform.

since that still doesn't answer any of my questions or related to the topic
(bolt on WRX/EVO vs Rotrex FRS/BRZ from roll) and since you obviously didn't read that part before you comment, I bought you this mat

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by glamcem

since that still doesn't answer any of my questions or related to the topic
(bolt on WRX/EVO vs Rotrex FRS/BRZ from roll) and since you obviously didn't read that part before you comment, I bought you this mat

I did read it but I can't answer that because I don't know, if you read the thread I firstly questioned Mike's claims

Silly goose.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

I did read it but I can't answer that because I don't know, if you read the thread I firstly questioned Mike's claims

Silly goose.

Yeah but it sounded like you didn't the rest of it , oh well

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by glamcem

when you said it will be faster in a straight line(see below) and since we were all talking about highway pulls I don't think the track times apply here


and I already explained why the weight differences is not a big issue on highway pulls exact reason why a V10 M5 will walk away from a C5 Z06 on highway (after 120mph of course, lol) ..that's a thing that I already knew for years,as I couldn't remember the damn formula, I had to quote it

also, that pathetic powerband still has way more area under the TQ than our cars I remember you had a WRX so we both know 360 WHP WRX would kill a Rotrex FRS/BRZ any day from roll, just say it Mike, repeat after me "WRX will win that race"

Last I checked, the CSG BRZ with a Rotrex pulls on the CSG WRX.

But, I'm glad that you can speak for cars you've never driven.

The M5 will walk the Vette at any speed, except from a low speed (5-30mph) roll. That's the worst comparison I've seen you post yet. ~400hp ~3200lbs vs ~500hp ~4000 lbs.

[twag4]

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[Sleepless]

Hey, how about that JRSC setup!

[jaycee842]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Last I checked, the CSG BRZ with a Rotrex pulls on the CSG WRX.



But, I'm glad that you can speak for cars you've never driven.

Mike, why is everyone always on you about something? Are you not a likable guy? This is a serious question


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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jaycee842

Mike, why is everyone always on you about something? Are you not a likable guy? This is a serious question


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