Got my new FR-S today.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by Zaneman

Can't wait to see what you can do with this thing Dave. I can feel the money leaking from my wallet right now... Yay!!!

Did you snag one as well?

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by Grey

Congrats!

Jumping in to say I just drove mine off the lot, manual in whiteout like yours. Couldn't be more excited!

Fantastic - Congratulations!

[pr086]

is 165hp to the wheels standard for a car rated as 200hp?? seems like a big drop

[Cheddar]

Originally Posted by pr086

is 165hp to the wheels standard for a car rated as 200hp?? seems like a big drop

The 200HP rating is for engine horsepower. There is always drivetrain lose. The reason for only 165 of the 200 getting to the wheels.

Btw isnt this cars 5th a 1.0 gear ratio?

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by pr086

is 165hp to the wheels standard for a car rated as 200hp?? seems like a big drop

Nah - thats about right for a RWD with only a couple hundred miles. This is WHP. Factory ratings are always in BHP - which is brake Horsepower at the flywheel - it doesn't account fro drivetrain losses.

Originally Posted by Cheddar

The 200HP rating is for engine horsepower. There is always drivetrain lose. The reason for only 165 of the 200 getting to the wheels.

Btw isnt this cars 5th a 1.0 gear ratio?

Yep - manual is 1:1 in fifth - auto is 1:1 in 4th. I has assumed 4th would be 1:1 but I looked it up this morning after those results.

Manual goes:

1 - 3.626:1
2 - 2.188:1
3 - 1.541:1
4 - 1.213:1
5 - 1:1
6 - 0.767:1

4.1:1 Final drive

Auto is:
1 - 5.538:1
2 - 2.060:1
3 - 1.404:1
4 - 1:1
5 - 0.713:1
6 - 0.582:1 <--- hence the better fuel economy rating

4.1:1 final drive

[pr086]

i know you should expect a loss, but that seems like a big gap. i guess im used to fwd cars where the loss is generally less

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by pr086

i know you should expect a loss, but that seems like a big gap. i guess im used to fwd cars where the loss is generally less

Correct - transaxles don't have to turn the direction of rotation to get power to the wheels, nor do they have to spin the extra weight of the driveshaft. As a result they are inherently more efficient.

Remember this is also a BRAND NEW car. At 10,000 miles it would not surprise me to see anywhere from 170 - 175 to the tire once everythign is thoroughly broken in.

[jcX4ever]

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

To address JCX4Ever's question - this is a comparison between a stock Elise 2zz-ge (over 20K so fully broken in) and the new stock FR-S (not broken in):


Both runs are STD correction on my dyno so I think the torque curve says everything that needs to be said on the matter.

I have built a bunch of 2ZZ Spyders and turbo spyders. I love them, they are awesome cars. AT this time with the lack of an ECU tuning solution for the FR-S the spyder has way more power production potential when modified.

That being said, If I had to choose one or the other, I would take the FR-S. As an overall package I think it is slightly superior to the Spyder. You get 100x more storage, the theoretical ability to transport more than 2 living beings, and the handling is comparable in terms of capability, but way more controlled and predictable in the FR-S.

Thankfully I don't have to choose between them - spyders are cheap enough these days there is no reason not to keep both!

Gotcha, MR-S & FR-S is a must have . .

Thanks!

[AlanLGuy]

I know Boosted2.0 from newcelica.org and I'm certain he'll be doing some awesome R&D for the FRS in the future! His contribution to the celica community has been nothing short of amazing and I am extremely eager to see what D&D comes out with for the FRS!

The car looks great Boosted! I'm glad to have been able to score one for myself! Looking forward to get the chance to drift it around a parking lot or two! Any early R&D ideas for the FRS? Can I get on the Boosted2.0 intake manifold yet? lol

[Zaneman]

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

Did you snag one as well?

I'm just waiting on my BRZ. I took a little too much time to decide so now I have to wait.

[Jordo!]

Dave = Toyota Demigod.

Expect great stuff from DD Performance.

Psst.... first goal is dial out god awful 25 wtq dip. I know Cobb will offer an option, what else is on the horizon for tuning options?

[yamaha16bw]

Looking forward to whats to come! I just filled up with tank #2 of gas and got the itch to give out my credit card number.

[AlanLGuy]

Originally Posted by pr086

i know you should expect a loss, but that seems like a big gap. i guess im used to fwd cars where the loss is generally less

3 things to keep in mind with this power figure

1. Brand new car, once it's broken in WHP will pick up slightly
2. RWD tends to lose more power than FWD from the Crank to the Wheel
3. And finally, These cars came with 17 inch wheels standard, which is going to rob you of some power

I think those are pretty solid numbers considering... The biggest advantage is the fairly wide useable power band. after driving so many VTEC and VVTL-i cars the past few years, i'm very impressed with the pick up the FRS has at lower RPMS.

I think there is plenty enough power to have fun with. Turn off the TCS and stability control and you'll see the car has more than enough power to get sideways if it want to. Keep in mind the original AE-86 was a relatively low horsepower car as well.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by AlanLGuy

I know Boosted2.0 from newcelica.org and I'm certain he'll be doing some awesome R&D for the FRS in the future! His contribution to the celica community has been nothing short of amazing and I am extremely eager to see what D&D comes out with for the FRS!

The car looks great Boosted! I'm glad to have been able to score one for myself! Looking forward to get the chance to drift it around a parking lot or two! Any early R&D ideas for the FRS? Can I get on the Boosted2.0 intake manifold yet? lol

LOL! I'm afraid you may need to wait a few weeks for any kind of parts! Seriously though - I did already order a head and valves and whatnot to start doign some flow workup, but there are none in the region and they said it may be as much as 45 days before they arrive. In the mean time we will play with the exhaust and whatnot.

Originally Posted by Zaneman

I'm just waiting on my BRZ. I took a little too much time to decide so now I have to wait.

Doh! That sucks. If you want a black FR-S with a 6MT I know where you can get one (This mornign anyhow - who knows by this afternoon)

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Dave = Toyota Demigod.

Expect great stuff from DD Performance.

Psst.... first goal is dial out god awful 25 wtq dip. I know Cobb will offer an option, what else is on the horizon for tuning options?

Stop it - you'll make me blush

And yeah we have a tractrix cable and Rom Raider - we plan to try and yank the data this weekend and see if its encrypted or what.