Motor Trend: 2016 Miata vs 2015 BRZ - Page 43 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

strat61caster · 08-07-2015, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Listen everybody knows the Mx5 is the better performing car of the two. I'm just trying to find out why someone would buy a car that "feels like a cow". I did that and have since regretted it. You live and learn.

So when are you trading your fat cow for an ND?

Levi · 08-07-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb

In case you missed it, the thread title has VS. in it and it is posed in the twins VS XXXX area. And you are on a ft86 forum, of course we are going to be biased and favor OUR car on OUR forum. Nobody likes to lose.

Lose what?

As for "versus", it is rather pseudo-versus. There have to be standards for real comparatives, and till now, I have not seen any standards. More than that, one comparative is not enough, more of them are needed, similar as what is done in financial valuation.

raven1231 · 08-07-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi

Lose what?

As for "versus", it is rather pseudo-versus. There have to be standards for real comparatives, and till now, I have not seen any standards. More than that, one comparative is not enough, more of them are needed, similar as what is done in financial valuation.

**** measuring.

totopo · 08-07-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GT86meMR2

I'm impressed by the motortrend miata 0-60 test and 1/4 test though, mazda in our country rates it a 0-62mph time of 7.3.

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Originally Posted by thill

That's a different track than Willow Springs. I thought that Tirerack and Motor Trend did a similar test with Randy Pobst and the results were not very dramatic with different tires on the FT86?

to reiterate what strat61caster said, of course tires are the most important, but you have to understand the tire classes. I'm tired of seeing the "tires will solve everything on the twins" argument time and time again when it's wrong. The primacy hp are very good tires for the twins. They are fun, get good gas mileage, and get similar lap times to MP class tires on the twins.

The dunlop sp sport 2050 are UHP tires, the dunlop sp sport 01 are UHP tires (HP<UHP<MP<EP). The star specs are EP tires, 2 grades above. So a fair comparison would be to put all 3 of those cars on the same EP tire.

I'm getting tired of seeing "primacy hp sucks" posts.

SUB-FT86 · 08-07-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

So when are you trading your fat cow for an ND?

No you're confused bro..lol. I was asking Raven why he bought a fat cow in the FRS. I never said my car was fat. I said I also had a car in the past that made me purchase the FRS instead because it was a "REAL" fat cow at 3,560 lbs.

strat61caster · 08-07-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

No you're confused bro..lol. I was asking Raven why he bought a fat cow in the FRS. I never said my car was fat. I said I also had a car in the past that made me purchase the FRS instead because it was a "REAL" fat cow at 3,560 lbs.

I am confused, you just called one FRS fat but your FRS isn't fat?

2750lbs is chubby imo

DAEMANO · 08-07-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

2750lbs is chubby imo

For a 2 seat roadster maybe, but not for a 2+2 coupe. Heck even the S2K tipped the scales at ~2850 lbs.

SUB-FT86 · 08-07-2015, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

I am confused, you just called one FRS fat but your FRS isn't fat?

2750lbs is chubby imo

I never said any 86 was a "fat cow". 2750-2800 lbs is LIGHTWEIGHT to ME. Raven said that weight is "fat", so I was asking him why would he buy a "fat"(from his personal perspective) sports car. You might have to go back a couple post to get where this is coming from.

See post 581

HUNTERANGEL121 · 08-07-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO

For a 2 seat roadster maybe, but not for a 2+2 coupe. Heck even the S2K tipped the scales at ~2850 lbs.

Ap1s are mid 2750s.

Need a new toaster

DarkSunrise · 08-07-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HUNTERANGEL121

Ap1s are mid 2750s.

Need a new toaster

I think he's talking about the AP2's, which were a shade over 2850.

Levi · 08-07-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by raven1231

**** measuring.

LOL

Is the whole purpose of this forum section "versus" about measuring? I did not create it.

As for **** measuring, here too should be some standards, like temperature, point of departure, state, etc...

ajaxthebetter · 08-07-2015, 04:43 PM

The 86 was in the pool! In the pool!!

Tcoat · 08-07-2015, 04:50 PM

This was a fun read. 10/10
Amazing how these verses threads can bring in the guys that have nothing to say anywhere else in the forum though.

strat61caster · 08-07-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO

For a 2 seat roadster maybe, but not for a 2+2 coupe. Heck even the S2K tipped the scales at ~2850 lbs.

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I never said any 86 was a "fat cow". 2750-2800 lbs is LIGHTWEIGHT to ME. Raven said that weight is "fat", so I was asking him why would he buy a "fat"(from his personal perspective) sports car. You might have to go back a couple post to get where this is coming from.

See post 581

oink oink

Edit: To explain, trying to be less uptight

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