2017 Fiat 124 - The best MX-5 (? or !)

[rice_classic]

No no no... this is how you FIAT! A 126 with a CBR900 swap and skinny tires! awwwww yeahhhh.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ztg-B6v6rQ[/ame]

[NWFRS]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

No no no... this is how you FIAT! A 126 with a CBR900 swap and skinny tires! awwwww yeahhhh.

Cool!

...and if we're opening the door for motor swaps...how about an X1-9 with a GSXR1000 powerplant..?

[ame]http://youtu.be/8HqLTQAHqGQ[/ame]

[reni]

So in other words,

The best British roadster is Japanese, and the best Mazda is Italian.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by reni

So in other words,

The best British roadster is Japanese, and the best Mazda is Italian.

[serialk11r]

lol, I saw an Alfa 4C today if I wasn't mistaken, I thought my FR-S's engine/exhaust sounded horrible until I heard that thing go by...fartier than a buzzy Civic with rusted through exhaust. I would be more embarassed to have my car sound like that than a Nissan VQ drone.

[serialk11r]

I saw an Alfa 4C today if I wasn't mistaken. I thought my FR-S had a bad exhaust note until I heard that thing...I'd easily take an old Civic with rotted out exhaust over that. It is probably the fartiest exhaust I've ever heard.

Also, Multiair is great but it's Italian, and they admitted they can't use it over 7000rpm, so given that it's Italian I'll call it 6000, and expect these Fiat engines to start having tons of problems after a few more years. I feel like hydraulic variable lift is a no-brainer, I'd like to see a Japanese company take a stab at it. It seems to me that you could easily use the hydraulic lash adjustment with different valving and a sensor to detect the clearance to accomplish much of the benefit of Multiair. It'd be like Valvematic or VVEL or Valvetronic but with less adjustment range, but also less parts and power consumption. Or, we could just be using Honda 3 stage VTEC which is proven to be reliable.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Also, Multiair is great but it's Italian, and they admitted they can't use it over 7000rpm, so given that it's Italian I'll call it 6000, and expect these Fiat engines to start having tons of problems after a few more years.

MultiAir is only 3 years younger than Toyota's direct injection system and has been on the road for over 6 years now.

Taking a quick glance at one of their forums they certainly are showing more catastrophic failures on the issues page but flip to the second page and you see complaints not so different from here (leaky tailights anyone?)

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/forum...s-and-Concerns

[serialk11r]

Oh they've been around for that long already...now that I think of it, I definitely remember when Multiair first came out haha. Time flies.

The thing that concerns me about Multiair is that it can potentially drop the valve against the seat very hard with a solenoid failure which the other variable lift systems aren't capable of doing. Not sure how much damage that could cause though.

[DAEMANO]

Fiat 124 Abarth CONFIRMED
http://www.evo.co.uk/abarth/16370/fiat-124-spider-will-spawn-hotter-abarth-roadster from the Alpha 4C - 1.75L i4T - 237 HP / 258 TQ (could be de-tuned from the factory to as low as 200 HP, but easily re-tuned above that 237). Curb weight 2300 lbs.

Speculated look (render) - Don't love the look of the front end in these renders, but I do love a 2300 lb car with 237HP. Here's your new S2K, but meaner. Lots meaner. It'll probably priced similarly too at around $35-40k.

Also noted, the base (or "comfort") 124 will indeed get the 1.4L multi-air turbo which (with a tune) will be a performance bargain sleeper.

[Purdue FR-S]

The new S2k minus the sexy NA 9k-redlining-yet-mechanically-reliable gift from the heavens.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Purdue FR-S

The new S2k minus the sexy NA 9k-redlining-yet-mechanically-reliable gift from the heavens.

Don't forget, the 4Cs engine also has forged internals. FCA is dropping the engine from a $60k car into a $25k one. There's going to be a lot of headroom. A factory turbocharged car with forged internals like the 124 is a tune away from serious beast mode. That is to say if 250+ TQ in a 2300 lb car isn't enough. 9k redline, fun but unnecessary. Also, the 4Cs engine meets today's emissions and MPG requirements. Something that Honda "gift from the heavens" never did.

It's been a decade since Honda has been anywhere near as focused or ballsy as FCA is right now (the new Alpha 6C, 124 Abarth, Alpha Romeo Guilia Quadrofolio, Maserati GranTurismo MC) . Time to let it go. The S2K was indeed a milestone, but it's gone. The 124 Abarth is an extremely exciting announcement for all car guys, for today.

...btw... I didn't mention what's happening to the 4C. The turbo 4 gets upgraded and is shared with the 124 Abarth. A new "C" model moves in that will be called the 6C. It's getting the Ferrari developed 3.2L V-6 that's also going into the Guilia (probably the 510 HP Twin turbo model, but I'd take the NA V-6 @ 300 hp just as well). Did I mention that FCA was killin' it?

http://www.autoedizione.com/alfa-rom...-developed-v6/

[thill]

It sounds like two versions and two different engines to me. I would guess the Abarth version could be pushing high $30's to mid $40's. Will have an LSD, brembos, better wheels/tires. Most likely very limited production run and the cheaper version will be in the mid $20's to mid $30's depending on options. My guess at least.

[DarkSunrise]

Keeping my eye on this although without a true coupe bodystyle, I'm doubtful I'd ever buy one.

[f0rge]

If the 124 Abarth is under $30k i'll be shocked. Hell if the regular 124 is under $30k i'll be really surprised.