Eight-Six TRD vs FD2 Type-R

[ultra]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i actually think a fwd would enforce this more

Indeed, and that's the problem - they 'enforce' it.

I love the uniquely RWD trait of being able to play with power oversteer and 4 wheel drifts when 'textbook' gets old.

[Godzpeed]

I've owned the FD2R and have driven the 86, also various of USDM Civic Si and CSX Type S

First of all, any one that think a Civic Si is about the same as the FD2-R is very wrong.
the SI compare to the Type R is like comparing a 335i with a M3 in terms of everything.

IMO the Civic Type R is a much better value than the 86. FYI, when i brought my FD2 in 07, i paid 300k HKD. The 86 cost 355k, I'd say they are the same price since there was a tax increase since 09. For the FD2, you get better bucket seats, a highly upgraded chassis, brembo brakes, much better tires. and IIRC it was faster than the NSX-R or just a tad slower than it when they had the race on best motoring!

stock to stock, the FD2 is a far more hardcore machine, suspension and chassis is so still that you'd think its on aftermarket coilovers, final gear is even at 5.0! This used to be a race mod on the DC5! and the noise the K20 make just made it sound even more hardcore. not to mention this car is still a 4dr sedan with a trunk. everyday usability is definitely better

the 86 on the other hand feels more as a sports car. but does not feel hardcore enough.
it doesn't feel as nimble as the FD2 and not enough grip thats for sure (although a set of proper tires will fix it) the car also feels a bit slow, probably cuz the chassis is just so much more capable than the engine output. but the perfect balance of the car just gives me smiles. its a really good car for just going for a drive, it reacts directly do what you want it to do. the FD2 is much faster, but you are also fighting with the car a lot more. the 86 is much more relaxing to drive.

if you want a hardcore track car that works as a daily commuter, i'd pick the FD2. if you want a small balance sports car, the 86 is the way to go.

[Symbiont]

After years of FWD cars, I'm (hopefully) never going back. I really don't care about the 'relative value' of the cars; the Civic just wouldn't be as fun to drive, for me. The BRZ/86 is as fast as I'll ever need it on the street, and a few bolt-ons may 'improve' the sound and smooth out the HP/TQ curves, once some development time goes into them.

Plus, the 86 looks damn sexy in comparison.

To each their own; I'm sticking with my BRZ.

[chulooz]

FWD/

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

I drove a regular FD2 Si last week and it was really twitchy. Torque-steered in the rain like whoah! Interior was nice and the shifter feel was incredible for having a linkage and not being bolted directly to the trans. They'd have to put in some serious work to make that thing drive the way I'd want it to and even then, not a fan of FWD.

I owned an '07 Si Coupe, as well as an '07 FD2 (not at the same time obviously ) and they are a lot different.

I tracked them both and after 1 year (5 trackdays) in the Si I was hankering after something else, where as after 1 year (6 trackdays) in the FD2 I was nowhere near maxing out the fun factor. It was like owning a road going touring car. The extra power, uprated brakes, stiffer chassis, different exhaust, etc... made for one helluva car.

Obviously not available in North America, but for me the FD2, RS Clio 200 and the Toyaburu make for cross-shopping rivals in markets where they coexist.

[ultra]

I'm very interested to compare my Clio Sport 197 against the 86 back to back. Luckily the local launch of the 86 is this Wedneaday at Yas Marina and I've got an invite being one of the first 5 here to book an 86...but that's a whole different thread.

On the topic of the Civc Type R, we got the FN2 (UK built hatch) version of the CTR here and the Clio Spprt kills it around the track stock vs. stock.

But the JDM market FD CTRs are a whole other notch up. 230hp, LsD, better suspension. I've only tracked against one on one occasion here and it murdered me everywhere on the circuit apart from under braking.

It'll be interesting to see how an 86 will do around a circuit but I'm speculating that a stock 86 would have trouble against an FD CTR mainly due to the power defecit and stick tires.

A good driver in a TRD 86 versus a good driver in an FD or well set up FN2 would be very interesting.

[Turbowned]

Did I use the proper designation for the '08 Si sedan? Is it something other than FD2? I know sometimes the chassis codes get a little muddied between the JDM and USDM models...

[YukiHachiRoku]

I'd take a Mugen RR anyday of the week!

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by YukiHachiRoku

I'd take a Mugen RR anyday of the week!

I would too but the problem is the Mugen RR was priced much higher. At that price range I would be looking elsewhere

[YukiHachiRoku]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I would too but the problem is the Mugen RR was priced much higher. At that price range I would be looking elsewhere

For the price I'd probably get a BMW M1 instead.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Did I use the proper designation for the '08 Si sedan? Is it something other than FD2? I know sometimes the chassis codes get a little muddied between the JDM and USDM models...

Ya I didn't want to be too much of a pedant and used model years in my reply instead of chassis codes Generally speaking they were:
North America had the FG2 (coupe) and FA5 (sedan) Si's.
Europe had the FN2 (hatchback) 'Type R'.
Japan had the FD2 (sedan) Type R.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Ya I didn't want to be too much of a pedant and used model years in my reply instead of chassis codes Generally speaking they were:
North America had the FG2 (coupe) and FA5 (sedan) Si's.
Europe had the FN2 (hatchback) 'Type R'.
Japan had the FD2 (sedan) Type R.

What is Canad's CSX?

[Capt Canuck]

^An overpriced option for suckers who wanted full leather interiors in their Civics

[armokaiser]

Originally Posted by Dimman

What is Canad's CSX?

FD5